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  • #61
    Re: America is not for Black People

    Originally posted by TheOldCaddy View Post
    The countries you named were remarkably homogenous compared to America. Even today, Denmark is almost 90% Danish. Same thing in Sweden, where almost 80% of the population is ethnically Swedish, and a good chunk of the remainder (almost half) is from other Nordic countries or Europe. Homogenized populations means the people share, for the most part, the same ideals, goals, and norms. Same thing holds true in S. Korea and Japan, which is one reason those countries grew so quickly; when everyone agrees on the basics, it's easy to agree how to change and move ahead.

    I suggest you start reading about the Religion of Peace, and what's happening in Sweden, Denmark, and Holland. Just having 5% Muslims seems to be causing trouble, as there have been riots and the usual demands for sharia law, etc. As their populations become less 'native' and more dominated by immigrants who don't share native values, you can be sure more strife will come. As more immigrants come in through 'family reunification' and other crap, you can be sure the troubles in Europe will look very much like the current troubles in Ferguson.

    The USA "fight(s) all things socialist?" Since when? The Federal Reserve took over in 1913, and socialism has been growing ever since. Prior to 1929, the Federal gov't in the US rarely spent more than 8% of GDP (exception was WWI); after 1929, in war and in peace, Federal spending was never LESS than 20%, and is about 40% now.

    But let me attempt to answer your sincere question: What do I propose?

    First, let's stop treating Canadian citizenship like it's a participant ribbon for 8-year old soccer teams. I think it should mean the following:
    1. You accept and agree to certain principles, such as Dief's Bill of Rights, the Monarchy, and primacy of law over religion.
    2. You accept and agree to the traditions of the country, the most important of which is: you are here to make your own life, not to have the country make a life for you.
    3. You live at least 60% of the year here (exceptions for armed services and diplomatic corps, and people studying abroad)
    4. Most important, you RENOUNCE all other citizenships if born elsewhere or at age of majority if you have dual citizenship by reason of parent's birth. Get rid of this "passport of convenience" BS where people come here, get a passport, flee back to their 'home' land and then start wailing and whining for Canada to bail them out when their 'home' land erupts into chaos (e.g. Lebanon, Syria, etc.)
    5. Anyone who accepts the above, be he/she white, brown, black, yellow or green, be he/she straight/gay/confused, or golfer/non-golfer is welcome in the country I'd like to live in.

    Finally, let's get rid of 'universal suffrage'. It is the poison pill in the democratic concept because it eventually lets the Lilliputians tie down and enslave Gulliver. If slavery of the weak is wrong - and it is! - why isn't slavery of the able? StatsCan just noted that the average Cdn spends 42% of income on taxes; I know most of that isn't coming back to me.

    Your right to vote - to have a say in how the country is governed - should be determined by your contributions to society. If you're not making a contribution yet - not paying taxes, not serving the nation, but instead drawing resources from it (students, welfare) - then no vote for you. A lot of nations have compulsory 'national service' which doesn't have to mean the Army. In Canada, for example, maybe we could get young people to serve in a corp that helps out with floods in the spring, ice storms in winter, forest fires in summer, etc. They would get to see other parts of the country, meet people from other parts of the country, and live and work together with them for a while. That alone would help us develop a set of shared values and goals, which would make this country much better off than our current "Gimme, gimme, gimme" culture where the game we play is "Don't tax you, don't tax me, let's tax the man behind the tree!" when in fact, we all live in the forest.
    I'm proud of the cultural mosaic that is Toronto. It's not without its problems and obligatory 10% of abusers, but overall I think it works quite well for us here in Canada. I think that the reason it works here is that no single immigrant group comprises a significant proportion of the population.

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    • #62
      Re: America is not for Black People

      Originally posted by TheOldCaddy View Post
      The countries you named were remarkably homogenous compared to America. Even today, Denmark is almost 90% Danish. Same thing in Sweden, where almost 80% of the population is ethnically Swedish, and a good chunk of the remainder (almost half) is from other Nordic countries or Europe. Homogenized populations means the people share, for the most part, the same ideals, goals, and norms. Same thing holds true in S. Korea and Japan, which is one reason those countries grew so quickly; when everyone agrees on the basics, it's easy to agree how to change and move ahead.

      I suggest you start reading about the Religion of Peace, and what's happening in Sweden, Denmark, and Holland. Just having 5% Muslims seems to be causing trouble, as there have been riots and the usual demands for sharia law, etc. As their populations become less 'native' and more dominated by immigrants who don't share native values, you can be sure more strife will come. As more immigrants come in through 'family reunification' and other crap, you can be sure the troubles in Europe will look very much like the current troubles in Ferguson.

      The USA "fight(s) all things socialist?" Since when? The Federal Reserve took over in 1913, and socialism has been growing ever since. Prior to 1929, the Federal gov't in the US rarely spent more than 8% of GDP (exception was WWI); after 1929, in war and in peace, Federal spending was never LESS than 20%, and is about 40% now.

      But let me attempt to answer your sincere question: What do I propose?

      First, let's stop treating Canadian citizenship like it's a participant ribbon for 8-year old soccer teams. I think it should mean the following:
      1. You accept and agree to certain principles, such as Dief's Bill of Rights, the Monarchy, and primacy of law over religion.
      2. You accept and agree to the traditions of the country, the most important of which is: you are here to make your own life, not to have the country make a life for you.
      3. You live at least 60% of the year here (exceptions for armed services and diplomatic corps, and people studying abroad)
      4. Most important, you RENOUNCE all other citizenships if born elsewhere or at age of majority if you have dual citizenship by reason of parent's birth. Get rid of this "passport of convenience" BS where people come here, get a passport, flee back to their 'home' land and then start wailing and whining for Canada to bail them out when their 'home' land erupts into chaos (e.g. Lebanon, Syria, etc.)
      5. Anyone who accepts the above, be he/she white, brown, black, yellow or green, be he/she straight/gay/confused, or golfer/non-golfer is welcome in the country I'd like to live in.
      Finally, let's get rid of 'universal suffrage'. It is the poison pill in the democratic concept because it eventually lets the Lilliputians tie down and enslave Gulliver. If slavery of the weak is wrong - and it is! - why isn't slavery of the able? StatsCan just noted that the average Cdn spends 42% of income on taxes; I know most of that isn't coming back to me.

      Your right to vote - to have a say in how the country is governed - should be determined by your contributions to society. If you're not making a contribution yet - not paying taxes, not serving the nation, but instead drawing resources from it (students, welfare) - then no vote for you. A lot of nations have compulsory 'national service' which doesn't have to mean the Army. In Canada, for example, maybe we could get young people to serve in a corp that helps out with floods in the spring, ice storms in winter, forest fires in summer, etc. They would get to see other parts of the country, meet people from other parts of the country, and live and work together with them for a while. That alone would help us develop a set of shared values and goals, which would make this country much better off than our current "Gimme, gimme, gimme" culture where the game we play is "Don't tax you, don't tax me, let's tax the man behind the tree!" when in fact, we all live in the forest.
      The above does not necessarily help the group depicted below.

      So the question is, what is the 'solution' for these group of people?

      Originally posted by bl8d View Post
      no group in America is as derided, denigrated, abused and looked down upon by blacks, hispanic and whites alike as those defined as white trash, okie, redneck.
      To date no American President has emerged from the dense hinterlands of the Appalachians.
      Worse yet they don't have a Redneck history month, dedicated college, or library where their younguns can research and discover their roots.
      As far as I know there is just one cookbook showcasing whitetrash cookery, and its still available on Amazon. Order now and get a Daisy Mae Apron.
      Ernest Matthew Mickler's White Trash Cooking (1986) features recipes with names such as Goldie's Yo Yo Pudding, Resurrection Cake, Vickies Stickies, and Tutti's Fruited Porkettes.

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      • #63
        Re: America is not for Black People

        Originally posted by Sergio View Post
        So the 2nd amendment only applies selectively as far as the NRA and other groups like them is concerned.

        Got it.

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        • #64
          Re: America is not for Black People

          Originally posted by Secam View Post
          I'm proud of the cultural mosaic that is Toronto. It's not without its problems and obligatory 10% of abusers, but overall I think it works quite well for us here in Canada. I think that the reason it works here is that no single immigrant group comprises a significant proportion of the population.
          I think its the lack of guns and the overabundance of socialists.
          In The Bag

          Golf clubs


          Let them in.
          We can deal with the bad apples.
          Evil prevails when good people do nothing.

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          • #65
            Re: America is not for Black People

            Originally posted by Marty Canuck View Post
            Would you run for PM please? You have my vote Sir.
            He has mine too!

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            • #66
              Huffington Book Review- The Rise of the Warrior Cop

              I watch Democracy Now with AMY Goodman and Juan Gonzalize every moring. This moring there was an interview with a American black Senators and he quoted a book entitled," The Rise in The Warrior Cop". I haven't read it. Anyone at Toronto Golf Forum read it?
              Max
              " One Day At A Time"

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              • #67
                Re: America is not for Black People

                With the InterWeb, the world is shrinking...The Gazan giving advice to the Ferguson protestors.

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                • #68
                  Re: America is not for Black People

                  Originally posted by Bellyhungry View Post
                  The above does not necessarily help the group depicted below.

                  So the question is, what is the 'solution' for these group of people?
                  As an old boss once told me, you can't turn a battleship around in a minute. Unfortunately, a lot of those people are lost today, and are going to remain so. But, if we can build a society based on SHARED VALUES, then I think colour won't be an important issue.

                  I have worked with hundreds of black people in my life, and most of them, just like me, get up in the morning, have a shower, get dressed, and come to work. Skin colour doesn't enter into the picture because we all believe in the same thing: "if a man does not work, neither shall he eat. " That is the core value of Western society, which has been eroded over the last 50 years. What some term the "FSA" (Free sh*t army) has been growing for years, buttressed by the institutionalism and moralism I mentioned waaay back in this thread.

                  The coming civil war in the West will be between those that believe in work, and the FSA. I don't doubt there's going to be a lot of blood shed on both sides, which, as I said previously, is why I'm glad I'm old.

                  I'm just going to keep my head down, keep going to work, and try to get as many holes in as I can before either the curtain comes down, or the stage goes up in flames.

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                  • #69
                    Re: America is not for Black People

                    In Quebec City at the 2001 WTO Conference, many protestors were gased by Quebecs Provincial Police finest. Wearing a water soaked ban danna does help slow down the inhalation of the tear gas but the eyes do water and sting. I met at the fence, well dressed and educated parents, grandparents, priests, rabbi's, nuns and students from accross Canada. When I returned home both children and Donna gave me a hug and were very proud of me. Being gassed for peacefully protesting indicates to me that I no longer live in a Democracy. Max
                    Last edited by Maxwell; Aug 15, 2014, 08:03 AM.
                    " One Day At A Time"

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                    • #70
                      Re: America is not for Black People

                      State police have taken over and done an excellent job de-escalating the situation (lead by an AA cop)

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                      • #71
                        Re: America is not for Black People

                        Originally posted by TheOldCaddy View Post
                        Your right to vote - to have a say in how the country is governed - should be determined by your contributions to society. If you're not making a contribution yet - not paying taxes, not serving the nation, but instead drawing resources from it (students, welfare) - then no vote for you.
                        so would you get more votes if you paid more taxes?

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                        • #72
                          Re: America is not for Black People

                          Ferguson police

                          http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...loody-lie.html

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                          • #73
                            Re: America is not for Black People

                            Originally posted by Richd View Post
                            oh. my.
                            What's in my bag?

                            Driver: Titleist 910- ProforceV2
                            Irons: Titleist CB
                            Wedges: Vokey Spin Milled - 50, 54, 58
                            Putter: Scotty

                            ~ 90% of putts left short of the hole won't go in ~

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                            • #74
                              Re: America is not for Black People

                              Originally posted by Richd View Post
                              so would you get more votes if you paid more taxes?
                              you are implying a corporation might end up given more voting points than an individual since it has the same status. But No.

                              it crudely boils down to, non-taxpaying citizens will not have a vote that they can trade off on vote-seeking politicians who would cater to them.
                              you get what you get, to get by. YOU WON'T STARVE but it won't be a free lifestyle ticket it has become.

                              This would impact the immigrant immediate benefits package as it is now.. As for education I don't know, but University access would be more restrictive than before I would assume
                              Accountable tax revenue would force out the Pie in the sky politicians.

                              This is not that far removed from a former reality in Canada when it was only land owners who could vote. The one man- one vote came later and women were added much later. The legal voting age for young people has varied between 18-21 this half century. There was a drive to drop it to 16 by some self serving PIS politicians.
                              things change

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                              • #75
                                Re: America is not for Black People

                                Originally posted by bl8d View Post
                                you are implying a corporation might end up given more voting points than an individual since it has the same status. But No.

                                it crudely boils down to, non-taxpaying citizens will not have a vote that they can trade off on vote-seeking politicians who would cater to them.
                                you get what you get, to get by. YOU WON'T STARVE but it won't be a free lifestyle ticket it has become.

                                This would impact the immigrant immediate benefits package as it is now.. As for education I don't know, but University access would be more restrictive than before I would assume
                                Accountable tax revenue would force out the Pie in the sky politicians.

                                This is not that far removed from a former reality in Canada when it was only land owners who could vote. The one man- one vote came later and women were added much later. The legal voting age for young people has varied between 18-21 this half century. There was a drive to drop it to 16 by some self serving PIS politicians.

                                so what about somebody who works regular job but because of income level and dependents doesn't pay any taxes?

                                what about the wealthy person who's because of tax shelters and the way their income is derived pays no taxes?

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