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  • Originally posted by Bern View Post

    In case you haven't caught the gist of this thread over the last 4 years. There is a massive difference between what Trump says he will do and what he in fact does.

    Orange man is bad, so are his progeny.
    So the Trump budget that included 5.2T in proposed cuts wasn't DOA in Pelosi's Dem controlled House? They entertained it? How did we end up with, yet another, omnibus spending bill?

    This is probably the biggest problem with U.S. politics, these large spending bills that are negotiated until both sides get everything they want and next thing you know, you have trillion dollar deficits.

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    • Originally posted by SeanAvery2point0 View Post

      So the Trump budget that included 5.2T in proposed cuts wasn't DOA in Pelosi's Dem controlled House? They entertained it? How did we end up with, yet another, omnibus spending bill?

      This is probably the biggest problem with U.S. politics, these large spending bills that are negotiated until both sides get everything they want and next thing you know, you have trillion dollar deficits.
      Omnibus bills that have different things 'snuck in'.

      But you are forgetting that for the first 2 years of his regime, Trump had a majority in both the Senate and House of Representatives.

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      • Originally posted by Arthur Dailey View Post

        Omnibus bills that have different things 'snuck in'.

        But you are forgetting that for the first 2 years of his regime, Trump had a majority in both the Senate and House of Representatives.
        There still wasn't a budget passed in 2017, but an omnibus spending bill. I don't believe any of Trump's budget proposals were passed in Congress.

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        • There was two things the CSA Constitution did right. One 6 year term for the prez, and allowing line item vetoes. The sitting prez does a (hopefully) good job for the full 6 years, without wasting 1-2 years getting re-elected. Line item vetoes mean omnibus bills become a thing of the past. A bill will have one piece of legislation attached to it. No more hiding the pork.
          While we are on changing the constitution, quadruple the number of electors and assign them proportionally. Make the electors vote per percentage of popular vote in their state. This will reduce the influence of small states like Wyoming, Idaho, the Dakotas, and also make the candidates try for some of the vote in each state.

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          • Originally posted by wlorcb View Post
            There was two things the CSA Constitution did right. One 6 year term for the prez, and allowing line item vetoes. The sitting prez does a (hopefully) good job for the full 6 years, without wasting 1-2 years getting re-elected. Line item vetoes mean omnibus bills become a thing of the past. A bill will have one piece of legislation attached to it. No more hiding the pork.
            While we are on changing the constitution, quadruple the number of electors and assign them proportionally. Make the electors vote per percentage of popular vote in their state. This will reduce the influence of small states like Wyoming, Idaho, the Dakotas, and also make the candidates try for some of the vote in each state.
            Those suggestions seem to make too much sense.

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            • Originally posted by Benz View Post

              I don't disagree. However, after four years, I have learned to expect the unexpected from some Americans.

              So, after this morning's "advocacy meeting" with two senior legislators from Michigan, what do you suppose the reaction would be if these men went back and advocated for the state legislature to declare the election as 'corrupt and invalid' and then to declare that all of their state electors would cast their ballots for Trump? How would Michigan Democrats would feel about and respond to such a development? How would Democrats from other states, especially vulnerable swing states, feel about and respond to such a development?

              There are quarters in the U.S. who are more concerned with what works than they are with what's legal.
              And, there are thousands of gutless legislators who are more concerned about the wrath of the 73 million voters who lost than they are about upholding the laws of their states.
              You are right . . . but my point if it goes to court (even Supreme Court) . . . the judge(s) will give benefit of the doubt to the voters . . . so would go against the recommendation of the State Legislature. I swear the will of the voter is a VERY strong argument . . .

              Note: Melania had Covid at the same time as Donald . . .
              If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball.

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              • Originally posted by Pimento Cheese View Post

                I think that leaves Ivanka and Eric as the only members of Sr.'s immediate family that haven't had it. (Not counting the black sheep sibling.) Not a real surprise given how they've ridiculed protocols, but you'd think that at some point they'd wonder why it's spreading through all the family and acquaintances with such ease.
                Well Rudy's (works at the WH) son also and 3 staffers also tested for Covid . . .
                If you think it's hard to meet new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball.

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                • Originally posted by Arthur Dailey View Post

                  Those suggestions seem to make too much sense.
                  Expanding the number of electors and assigning them proportionally and having them by law vote based on the popular vote would be the most widespread voter disenfranchisement in U.S. history and the quickest path to civil war. It would completely undermine the rights of the minority, which is why the founders created a republic, and not a democracy.

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                  • Originally posted by Chambokl View Post

                    Well Rudy's (works at the WH) son also and 3 staffers also tested for Covid . . .
                    It's almost as if this thing can spread from person to person when proper protocols are ignored.

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                    • Originally posted by SeanAvery2point0 View Post

                      Expanding the number of electors and assigning them proportionally and having them by law vote based on the popular vote would be the most widespread voter disenfranchisement in U.S. history and the quickest path to civil war. It would completely undermine the rights of the minority, which is why the founders created a republic, and not a democracy.
                      Hey quit trolling me.

                      Actually the Electoral College was enshrined in order to ensure that society's 'betters' controlled who became President, rather than allowing the 'mob' to elect some unqualified populist 'rabble rouser'.

                      Hey, maybe Trump is just ensuring that it is working the way that it was designed? After undertaking a revolution and having many of their fellow citizens declare as Loyalists, the Founding Fathers of the USA were wary of 'mob rule'.

                      Just as our Senate was set-up to place a 'check' on the powers of the 'Commons'.

                      The number of Senators appointed is set in the Constitution according to 'region', not according to population.

                      Additionally when appointing Supreme Court justices and Cabinet members there is a tradition regarding representation from each province or region.

                      Regarding nomenclature there are slight philosophical differences. A republic merely means that there is no hereditary Head of State.
                      Last edited by Arthur Dailey; Nov 21, 2020, 01:58 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Pimento Cheese View Post

                        It's almost as if this thing can spread from person to person when proper protocols are ignored.
                        Amazing eh?! I just hope Rudy's hair dye doesn't pass from person to person. Anyone else see that?

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                        • Originally posted by 4wedges View Post

                          Amazing eh?! I just hope Rudy's hair dye doesn't pass from person to person. Anyone else see that?
                          I think Rudy will wear eye shadow for the next presser.

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                          • Originally posted by hackerhare View Post

                            I think Rudy will wear eye shadow for the next presser.
                            That's the same genre, though. Rudy finds new ways to publicly disgrace himself every time. He's a versatile clown.

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                            • It's not that difficult to act presidential, and with the class which the office demands.

                              https://www.facebook.com/780365311/p...0312/?sfnsn=mo
                              This isn't a dress rehearsal. Enjoy yourself. There's no do-over.

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                              • Originally posted by Pimento Cheese View Post

                                It's almost as if this thing can spread from person to person when proper protocols are ignored.
                                I don't want to jump to conclusions but you may be on to something.

                                It's too bad the USA didn't have this information months ago.

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