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  • I love what Mike Myers said on Jimmy Fallon about Don Jr. As he was in his Dr. Evil character, he said: I don't trust him, he looks like he has a facial feature missing, but your not sure which one.....lol

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    • Originally posted by mpare View Post
      He knows.


      So does Mueller.
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      • https://goo.gl/images/gfZxV9

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        • Originally posted by hemants View Post

          Insulin was discovered in 1921 in Canada which was a free market economy at the time

          military dominance can lead to high standard of living in the short run but long-term you need economic power to maintain high standard of living. Only capitalism provides enough motivation to do so.

          I don't think anyone would suggest a capitalism is perfect but it is the best we've got.

          I don't think that is Up For Debate. Really the only debate is whether to spend 10% of GDP on a social safety-net or 20
          What does any of this have to do with the topic of President Trump?
          Sage of the GTA...

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          • Originally posted by hemants View Post

            Insulin was discovered in 1921 in Canada which was a free market economy at the time

            military dominance can lead to high standard of living in the short run but long-term you need economic power to maintain high standard of living. Only capitalism provides enough motivation to do so.

            I don't think anyone would suggest a capitalism is perfect but it is the best we've got.

            I don't think that is Up For Debate. Really the only debate is whether to spend 10% of GDP on a social safety-net or 20
            The point that I was attempting to make was that the free market economy had nothing to do with the discovery of insulin. Banting and Best and MacLeod and Collip were all employed by/students/professors/ researchers the U of T at that time and the rights to insulin were sold to the U of T for 50 cents.

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            • Originally posted by Benz View Post

              What does any of this have to do with the topic of President Trump?
              Perhaps this is another fun discussion that could be spun off to a different thread, like the climate change one.
              "Confusion" will be my epitaph
              ...Iggy

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              • Originally posted by Benz View Post

                What does any of this have to do with the topic of President Trump?
                You can ask Pin Seeker who proclaimed that right wing philosophy was the root of all evil (paraphrased).

                I would say that Trump has hacked the traditional rules of right/left. He appears to be somewhat conservative compared to most Democrats but as protectionist as Sanders the same time. He is certainly not shy on spending.

                mostly I think he is part of a global pendulum swing back from extreme globalism/liberalism/open borders.

                Voters have been fed up with the political class for a while. Wall street has funded D and R quite generously.

                But everything I write is a 'troll' apparently so read with caution lol.

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                • Originally posted by Arthur Dailey View Post

                  The point that I was attempting to make was that the free market economy had nothing to do with the discovery of insulin. Banting and Best and MacLeod and Collip were all employed by/students/professors/ researchers the U of T at that time and the rights to insulin were sold to the U of T for 50 cents.
                  Arthur,
                  there are altruistic people in every society, I don't think anybody would debate that. But capitalism with its incentives creates more opportunity (like U of T and its facilities) and more capital for research. Yes the Russians will make discoveries but the biggest advances in science were primarily in the west and Japan. Patent protection is also an issue, championed in the west. Insulin is an isolated example, although Banting had a capitalist funded university to work with. Edison who changed the world and registered hundreds of patents was also motivated by money. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were motivated not just by "changing the world" but also the financial rewards in doing so.

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                  • Originally posted by pudubny View Post

                    Arthur,
                    there are altruistic people in every society, I don't think anybody would debate that. But capitalism with its incentives creates more opportunity (like U of T and its facilities) and more capital for research. Yes the Russians will make discoveries but the biggest advances in science were primarily in the west and Japan. Patent protection is also an issue, championed in the west. Insulin is an isolated example, although Banting had a capitalist funded university to work with. Edison who changed the world and registered hundreds of patents was also motivated by money. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were motivated not just by "changing the world" but also the financial rewards in doing so.
                    Agree. Let's savor this moment

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                    • Originally posted by pudubny View Post

                      Arthur,
                      there are altruistic people in every society, I don't think anybody would debate that. But capitalism with its incentives creates more opportunity (like U of T and its facilities) and more capital for research. Yes the Russians will make discoveries but the biggest advances in science were primarily in the west and Japan. Patent protection is also an issue, championed in the west. Insulin is an isolated example, although Banting had a capitalist funded university to work with. Edison who changed the world and registered hundreds of patents was also motivated by money. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were motivated not just by "changing the world" but also the financial rewards in doing so.
                      Some have claimed that the reason the Chinese did not profit from/exploit their discoveries of gunpowder and paper is that their society was strictly based on birth rank/status and therefore there was no 'incentive' to exploit discoveries.

                      A market based system, can however allow monetary status to supplant birth rank/status.

                      There are however many forms of capitalism, in addition to 'free market', such as 'state capitalism' and 'welfare state capitalism'. For many decades Canada used a modified form of capitalism with state moderation/interference. Japan also used state intervention for most of the period from the end of WWII until the near the end of the 20th century.

                      However those who claim that socialism does not, or has never worked, are overlooking the majority of human history. And research into why western Europeans adopted a market/capitalist based system. Something which has not been wholeheartedly accepted in much of the world, even now.

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                      • Originally posted by Arthur Dailey View Post

                        Some have claimed that the reason the Chinese did not profit from/exploit their discoveries of gunpowder and paper is that their society was strictly based on birth rank/status and therefore there was no 'incentive' to exploit discoveries.

                        A market based system, can however allow monetary status to supplant birth rank/status.

                        There are however many forms of capitalism, in addition to 'free market', such as 'state capitalism' and 'welfare state capitalism'. For many decades Canada used a modified form of capitalism with state moderation/interference. Japan also used state intervention for most of the period from the end of WWII until the near the end of the 20th century.

                        However those who claim that socialism does not, or has never worked, are overlooking the majority of human history. And research into why western Europeans adopted a market/capitalist based system. Something which has not been wholeheartedly accepted in much of the world, even now.
                        Malevolent dictatorship has also 'worked'. It's all relative.

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                        • Originally posted by Arthur Dailey View Post

                          Families certainly have an element of socialism as the wealth is generally redistributed from those earning to those in need. Food as well is shared out.
                          Sorry don't see the point about the wealth being redistributed .If your poor with zero assets how you can redistribute anything..
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                          The Longer My Drives Used To Be."
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                          • Originally posted by Pin Seeker View Post

                            Sorry don't see the point about the wealth being redistributed .If your poor with zero assets how you can redistribute anything..
                            Don't know of any family with 'zero assets'. Food, clothing, etc count as assets and are distributed within the family according to need, not according to who has the greatest income. Otherwise all toddlers would die of either starvation or exposure.

                            Thus families are by definition socialist in their behaviour.

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                            • Originally posted by hemants View Post

                              Malevolent dictatorship has also 'worked'. It's all relative.
                              Define 'worked'?

                              Humans thrived and society developed using the socialist model in times pre-dating the written word. Anthropological studies have determined this. Testing of bones and teeth provide evidence of good health, good diets and little to no differentiation, therefore relatively equal social standing and wealth distribution. Even extended periods of co-operation and peace between different groups.

                              Malevolent dictatorship generally leads to mass murders, or incarcerations and a large, unequal social stratification.

                              Social democracy, has and does work exceedingly well in a number of modern nations.

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                              • Hmmm .....

                                The Senate Intelligence Committee has determined that the intelligence community was correct in assessing that Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election with the aim of helping then-candidate Donald Trump, contradicting findings House Republicans reached last month.

                                “Our staff concluded that the [intelligence community’s] conclusions were accurate and on point,” the panel’s vice chairman, Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.), said Wednesday in a joint statement with Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), its chairman. “The Russian effort was extensive, sophisticated, and ordered by President Putin himself for the purpose of helping Donald Trump and hurting Hillary Clinton,” Warner continued.

                                But that last determination — that Russia intended to help Trump — sets up a clash within the GOP over which record of events is most accurate, a dispute that could complicate the party’s messaging surrounding the Russia investigations as it heads into the 2018 election season. While the House Republicans’ report also concurred with the bulk of the intelligence community’s findings about Russian meddling, it accused officials of not following their own best practices in determining that Moscow hoped Trump would win.

                                Trump has taken umbrage at the intelligence community’s determination that the Kremlin favored his candidacy over that of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The president cheered the House Intelligence Committee’s findings and report on Twitter, claiming it vindicated him by finding there was no evidence of collusion or coordination with Russia.

                                The Senate intelligence panel has yet to weigh in on the collusion allegations, a subject that will be left to its final report. But Burr and Warner have been dropping hints for days that their panel’s interim findings on the intelligence community would depart from those of the House Intelligence Committee Republicans. House Democrats also roundly disagreed with those findings.
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