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Originally posted by golfinseb View PostMany years ago an agreement was made to govern this country as equals. Is there a golf nut on this board who has a living memory of this agreement being honored?
Point is, normal negotiations are fraught with peril, inconsistency, difficult to enforce, etc.
Moreover, if indigenous protestors, together with their enviro - brethren believe they can shut down the country with illegal protests at transportation choke points, the country is screwed. The federal government and its feather brained proclamations that climate change is the number one priority only emboldens these ding dongs to further illegal action.
Summary. We are truly screwed.
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Originally posted by Bladerunner View PostSo, you’re telling me that non-aboriginal environmentalists should have any say whether heritage chiefs have authority over elected aboriginal leaders?!?
Even many heritage chiefs are uncomfortable with these protests. Sadly, they may not even be able to call them off at this point due to the above becoming involved.
#shutdowncanada....guess that is what the heritage chiefs wanted all along?!?
bladerunner
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The conclusion I am drawing is that the “allies” or environmentalists are seizing on the opportunity here and will take control of these protests if they continue.
The root cause is a dispute between the heritage chiefs and the elected officials.
The environmentalists don’t care about that particular beef....they simply want to take the opportunity to protest and #shutdowncanada.
Unfortunately, this may require Trudeau to go against his base if he wants to end these protests quickly.
bladerunner
Originally posted by TheSaxemachine View Post
No, I’m not telling you that. I’m not sure how you’re drawing that
conclusion either. There are aboriginal protestors and there are allies to the cause.
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This might be helpful for some. Band councils are colonial institutions.
WHAT ARE ELECTED BAND COUNCILS?
On the other hand, elected band councils -- as the title suggests -- are elected members of the community.
These councils were the result of the Indian Act, which was first established in 1876 and defined how the Canadian government interacts with Indigenous people. They were formed to impose a leadership structure that more resembled Canada’s system of governance.
“They don’t have the authority under the Indian Act to make decisions on traditional territory,” Pam Palmater, an Indigenous lawyer and the chair in Indigenous Governance at Ryerson University.”
Protests across the country in support of the Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs have prompted questions surrounding the difference between these chiefs and elected band councils -- and the answer is complicated.
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Originally posted by TheSaxemachine View Post
Do laws and treaties expire?
I had trouble with the term "aboriginal law", since we're talking about the Indian Act, which is part of Canadian Law....
Maybe things need to change here though - this conflict between the Band Councils and the Hereditary Chiefs doesn't seem to be working out well. I'm surprised it hasn't come up a lot before now."Confusion" will be my epitaph
...Iggy
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Trudeau needs to act now for the survival of the economy of Canada and order the removal of the protesters. He won’t of course because it will make him look like a anti environmentalist on the world stage and his image is more important!Driver: Wilson D200 (set at 9*),UST Mamiya Elements Chrome Stiff.
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From your article:
“What we’ve got to encourage right now, to resolve this, is to make sure the Wet'suwet'en peoples themselves get together,” he said. “Get together into their long houses, their big houses, and have the feasts and the ceremonies and have their laws and traditions govern how this is resolved.””
This is what I am arguing.
These people need to sort it out on their own. They do not need other environmentalists getting involved.
They also do not need to be blocking critical rail lines. Critical discussions are not occurring next to a rail line in Belleville.
bladerunner
Originally posted by TheSaxemachine View PostThis might be helpful for some. Band councils are colonial institutions.
WHAT ARE ELECTED BAND COUNCILS?
On the other hand, elected band councils -- as the title suggests -- are elected members of the community.
These councils were the result of the Indian Act, which was first established in 1876 and defined how the Canadian government interacts with Indigenous people. They were formed to impose a leadership structure that more resembled Canada’s system of governance.
“They don’t have the authority under the Indian Act to make decisions on traditional territory,” Pam Palmater, an Indigenous lawyer and the chair in Indigenous Governance at Ryerson University.”
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada...zHCFYH1YLodxzA
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Originally posted by miles View PostTrudeau needs to act now for the survival of the economy of Canada and order the removal of the protesters. He won’t of course because it will make him look like a anti environmentalist on the world stage and his image is more important!
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Originally posted by Bladerunner View PostFrom your article:
“What we’ve got to encourage right now, to resolve this, is to make sure the Wet'suwet'en peoples themselves get together,” he said. “Get together into their long houses, their big houses, and have the feasts and the ceremonies and have their laws and traditions govern how this is resolved.””
This is what I am arguing.
These people need to sort it out on their own. They do not need other environmentalists getting involved.
They also do not need to be blocking critical rail lines. Critical discussions are not occurring next to a rail line in Belleville.
bladerunner
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