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  • Originally posted by Marty Canuck View Post
    So I can’t help but notice that ya’ all arguing more with him is working out well…….

    Originally posted by ace in the hazard View Post

    I blame the people responding almost as much as the poster himself for making this thread borderline unreadable. How hard is it to just ignore him? Most people got the message and just don't take the bait. The same 3 or 4 people keep feeding the dumpster fire. I skip past their posts as quickly as I do MM/KBB/GN etc.

    Comments duly noted, agreed with, and hereby emphasized.

    C'mon guys, we can do better. Discipline yourselves.
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    • Originally posted by MichaelR View Post

      Comments duly noted, agreed with, and hereby emphasized.

      C'mon guys, we can do better. Discipline yourselves.
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      Aye Aye Captain. Roger that.

      I even extend the perimeter of that principle beyond just one.

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        • Good news if it's true...

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tim...or-israel/amp/

          The logic is based on the premise that the 3rd dose is invoking strong immunity and the fact that there other jabs that require 3 doses for max effectiveness. I guess time will tell but Ninja is not so optimistic...
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          • Originally posted by MichaelR View Post





            Comments duly noted, agreed with, and hereby emphasized.

            C'mon guys, we can do better. Discipline yourselves.
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            You guys are too much. Either ignore or respectfully disagree, not that hard. All the negativity, bad language, insults etc are unprovoked and unnecessary. We all have our opinions, so accept this as fact and move on. Seriously, it's pretty easy. The fact that I can handle the daily barrage from all of you but you guys seemingly cannot handle the Ninja? You guys are the ones picking the fight, then whine and complain when it comes back to you. Seriously, you can do better gentlemen.
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            • Toronto Life just published an excellent, in depth article on the 'Preacher' in Aylmer Ontario who is one of Ontario's pre-eminent anti-vax leaders.

              Excerpts and a link to the article below.


              https://torontolife.com/life/the-anti-vax-crusaders/

              In their telling, Covid is nothing but a harsh flu, and its severity is being exaggerated by elites—politicians, billionaires, the pharmaceutical industry—to exert control over the populace, enrich themselves and usher in an oppressive new world order.

              Hildebrandt and his flock refuse to get vaccinated for a raft of religious, anecdotal and pseudo-scientific reasons, and it will take more than a few line graphs and statistics to change their minds.

              The immovable naysayers who have coalesced around Hildebrandt are so difficult to convince because, for many of them, the choice is not really about the vaccine. According to polling by Abacus, the number-one reason Canadians refuse to get vaccinated is that they hate government telling them what to do. Hildebrandt’s followers see themselves as an oppressed minority.

              To them, defiance is necessary and noble; refusing the vaccine is an act of righteous rebellion against a greedy overclass bent on world domination. Their common dogma has nothing to do with medical science. It’s about resistance.

              In 1990, Hildebrandt went to see a travelling preacher named Daniel Layne speak at a rented schoolroom in Aylmer. Hildebrandt fell for Layne’s fervent, unrelenting vision of Christianity. He began preaching in 1991. Layne died in 2011 at the age of 67 after a series of illnesses, so leadership of the church fell to Ray Tinsman, an Ohio man who claims to be an earthly conduit to God, as well as an inner circle of 10 senior preachers, including Hildebrandt, who call themselves apostles.

              He (Layne) believed that, to be holy, Christians must be free from sin, and he had an unyielding interpretation of what constituted sinful behaviour: not just homosexuality, divorce and abortion, but anything deemed superfluous, like neckties, musical instruments used during worship, and haircuts for women. The church was radical, residing on the fringes of conservative Christianity. To join, members had to adhere to Layne’s austere rules, which dictated what they wore (plain, old-fashioned clothing in white, black and grey) and what colour cars they drove (also white, black or grey). His followers weren’t allowed to listen to the radio or read the news. He counselled his followers on who to marry and whether they could go on vacation.

              Members of the Restoration don’t date. Rather, they consult their pastors about potential partners within the congregation with an eye to marrying and starting a family.

              The core of his resistance is Restoration doctrine, which largely rejects Big Pharma and medical intervention and instead mandates holistic medicine (including exercise and nutrition) and relies on the power of prayer and divine healing. The church applies this approach unevenly, taking no issue with dental work or eyeglasses yet shunning medicine and surgery unless absolutely necessary. And if it is necessary, it carries social stigma. When members get sick, they consult the church’s elders, who pray for them. Illness and even death are treated as God’s will—to interfere would be a sign of spiritual weakness.

              Bob Mutch, the husband of apostle Susan Mutch, was excommunicated in 2008 for questioning the church’s stance on refusing medical help. Hildebrandt’s followers also have limited access to material produced outside the church. In the last year, the Gospel Trumpet has published erroneous and misleading articles about the health hazards of masks, the potential side effects of vaccines (cancer, Alzheimer’s and death, supposedly) and the checkered history of the pharmaceutical companies manufacturing them. An editorial begins, “If someone were to approach Bill Gates and Tony Fauci with the intent to give them a dose of the real Covid vaccine, I envision the vaccine duo running in horror for their lives. They know too much.”

              I asked Hildebrandt if he’d considered the possibility that he and his church might be wrong. Hildebrandt wouldn’t entertain the premise of my question.

              The Restoration’s rejection of modern medicine has led to tragedy before. Twenty years ago, a couple from the church were charged with involuntary manslaughter after their 11-month-old daughter died from untreated meningitis. Around the same time, Manitoba officials investigated Hildebrandt’s brother, who’d lost two children of his own; the London Free Press reported that one child died after being born at home prematurely and that the other passed away from a lung ailment when the family refused to put the child on oxygen. (Hildebrandt denies these reports, claiming that his sister-in-law had two miscarriages. No charges were laid.)

              In the early 2000s, Children’s Aid received a tip that a couple who followed Hildebrandt were striking their children with straps, and failing to procure necessary medical care for their injuries. Social workers removed seven children from the home, resulting in a media frenzy. Church members called it a “barbaric raid” and argued that corporal punishment was sanctioned by the Bible. In the following months, more than 100 women and children from the Aylmer congregation temporarily fled to the U.S. over fears that Children’s Aid would come for their kids, too.

              To Hildebrandt, the newcomers are the fulfillment of a grim prophecy millennia in the making. The Restoration believes that the end of the world is imminent, that Jesus will return to save true believers.

              The Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees Canadians freedom of religion and the right to peaceful assembly. Several churches, including Hildebrandt’s, have filed Charter challenges against the government, arguing that Covid restrictions, including bans on religious gatherings, infringe on those freedoms. The courts will rule on those challenges in 2022. Many legal scholars suspect that judges will find that the government acted constitutionally, thanks to the first section of the Charter, which acknowledges that “reasonable limits” may be imposed upon Canadians’ rights and freedoms if those limits are “demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.”

              The question is not so much what to do with Hildebrandt and his followers, but how to come to grips with what he represents: the millions who embrace misinformation and ignore science.

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              • Originally posted by ace in the hazard View Post

                Your numbers are pretty outdated. Florida has averaged 10-20 deaths a day for the last week. They got the message about vaccines and their situation improved dramatically. They are at almost 58% fully /68% 1 dose. Not that far behind Canada at 71%/76%.

                Doesn't change the conclusion, just updating with newer info. Too much news here focuses on things going badly down there...not enough when things improve.
                Not sure where you are getting your numbers but the NY times indicates 240 deaths per day based on a 7 day average as of Oct 13th. Thats with acouple of days of 0 reported deaths. Yup, its still bad.

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                • Originally posted by Bern View Post

                  Not sure where you are getting your numbers but the NY times indicates 240 deaths per day based on a 7 day average as of Oct 13th. Thats with acouple of days of 0 reported deaths. Yup, its still bad.
                  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
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                  • Trust the science and avoid Moderna if possible like Iceland. Hopefully you'll have a choice for your booster.

                    https://www.google.com/amp/s/medical...flammation.amp

                    Of course though, only if you have enough of the Pfizer jab. If you don't then the science says to continue using Moderna because the benefit still outweighs the risk. I love science.
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                    • More fun stuff to ponder. Gene-editing ability with write-level permission. Ladies and gentlemen, just like our mRNA jabs....

                      Is it still a conspiracy theory anymore?

                      https://twitter.com/i/status/1448873753685942275

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                      • Originally posted by Bern View Post

                        Not sure where you are getting your numbers but the NY times indicates 240 deaths per day based on a 7 day average as of Oct 13th. Thats with acouple of days of 0 reported deaths. Yup, its still bad.
                        Times tracker of cases and deaths. Widely regarded as credible.

                        https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

                        We trust the science when it comes to purchasing/using golf equipment, and the golf professionals when taking swing advice.
                        Yet some people insist on listening to the under educated, uninformed or those 'conducting their on research' when it comes to highly specialized medical/healthcare topics.
                        It is like taking advice on your golf swing from someone who does not golf.

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                        • Originally posted by Arthur Dailey View Post

                          Times tracker of cases and deaths. Widely regarded as credible.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

                          We trust the science when it comes to purchasing/using golf equipment, and the golf professionals when taking swing advice.
                          Yet some people insist on listening to the under educated, uninformed or those 'conducting their on research' when it comes to highly specialized medical/healthcare topics.
                          It is like taking advice on your golf swing from someone who does not golf.
                          You fail to answer the question when there is conflicting science. Just like golf there is more than one way to do things.

                          So Iceland stopping Moderna and other Nordic countries limiting the use of Moderna- what's the science saying? If all was known beforehand, then no countries would be stopping any jab, but they are so what does this mean?

                          Please explain why this doesn't justify caution, especially for segments of the population are at low risk?

                          Most likely, you'll have no comments, just like when Ontario decided to not give Moderna to young men. If health authorities here and around the world are making changes on the fly, this tells you everything you need to know and that we're still in the experimental phase. Doesn't matter how you label it but actions speak louder then words and making changes as we go is exactly how a real-time experiment looks like.
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                          • Originally posted by ace in the hazard View Post
                            I won't speculate which numbers are more accurate only that I would trust the times over worldometers.

                            https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...virus-mystery/

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                            • This is one way of doing things- no covid tests if you're double jabbed, recently infected or under 6. Good way to reduce your numbers or reduce fears due to rising numbers and get back to normal. Will it work? Only time will tell...

                              https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...cinated/%3famp
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                              • US borders are reopening November 8th to fully vaccinated travellers.

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