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  • #46
    Attempts to politicize this crisis have ignored some obvious points. The premise that these extreme weather events rare is false. Climate chage is real. Ignoring it or denying it may be politically advantageous for some, but it does nothing for addressing its consequences. Winterization steps had been recommended for Texas previously. They were, for the most part, ignored. It's now obvious that this was a mistake. One way or another, that decision has exacted substantial human and financial costs. Quite apart from the deaths, the damages have been estimated as ultimately hitting at least $20 billion or more. As well, initially blaming for political reasons this crisis on the failure of wind and solar power has been shown to be without merit. Finally, dergulation of their power industry in Texas appears to have done them no service. That is especially so when the decision is left to power producers to decide whether or not they'll expend great sums of momies to protect the power supply in the face of possible environmental crisis events. Invariably they will always opt for cutting costs to maximize immeidate profits.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by bogey5 View Post

      Not sure but this looks a bit like suckin' and blowin'

      Former Texas Gov Rick Perry (and trump Sec for Energy) says Texans would rather live with more extended outages than have the federal government in their business.

      Meanwhile current Gov Abbott says federal assistance from Biden admin for 77 counties is a good start and he'll keep working with their federal partners for more.
      Aren't these Texas politicians the guys who said they would gladly die from Covid if it meant the economy wouldn't have to shut down? I guess they didn't.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by mpare View Post
        Attempts to politicize this crisis have ignored some obvious points. The premise that these extreme weather events rare is false. Climate chage is real. Ignoring it or denying it may be politically advantageous for some, but it does nothing for addressing its consequences. Winterization steps had been recommended for Texas previously. They were, for the most part, ignored. It's now obvious that this was a mistake. One way or another, that decision has exacted substantial human and financial costs. Quite apart from the deaths, the damages have been estimated as ultimately hitting at least $20 billion or more. As well, initially blaming for political reasons this crisis on the failure of wind and solar power has been shown to be without merit. Finally, dergulation of their power industry in Texas appears to have done them no service. That is especially so when the decision is left to power producers to decide whether or not they'll expend great sums of momies to protect the power supply in the face of possible environmental crisis events. Invariably they will always opt for cutting costs to maximize immeidate profits.
        I also wonder how many insurance claims will be denied because of the nature of the storm, act of god and all that. Don't people in the south have to get specific hurricane insurance to make sure they get paid?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by wlorcb View Post

          I also wonder how many insurance claims will be denied because of the nature of the storm, act of god and all that. Don't people in the south have to get specific hurricane insurance to make sure they get paid?
          would this be the - under these circumstances god doesn’t really exist therefore I gotta get me some flood insurance policy - Couldn’t help it - sorry

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          • #50
            Originally posted by wlorcb View Post

            I also wonder how many insurance claims will be denied because of the nature of the storm, act of god and all that. Don't people in the south have to get specific hurricane insurance to make sure they get paid?
            I'm sure the insurance companies will do everything they can to avoid paying. Sadly, there will be a lot of damage claims that were caused by connections to public water supply not meeting code.

            Texas, who don't want the Feds involved in their energy business, will use federal emergency funds to pay the exponential energy bill increases due to the market supply shortages that were caused by ERCOT's own negligence. After paying those exorbitant energy electricity bills, there will be little left to compensate homeowners for their damages.

            If insurance companies are forced to pay, I hope they go after ERCOT.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by wlorcb View Post

              I also wonder how many insurance claims will be denied because of the nature of the storm, act of god and all that. Don't people in the south have to get specific hurricane insurance to make sure they get paid?
              Logic and politics, particularly among Trump supporters is largely non-existence.

              The traffic chaos created by these storms is proof positive that a big pick-up truck or SUV without winter tires is nowhere near as safe/useful/driveable under icy/snowy conditions as a small car with winter tires

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              • #52
                Originally posted by WWFS View Post
                If insurance companies are forced to pay, I hope they go after ERCOT.
                Read in USA Today this morning that the damage is up to $50B . . .
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                • #53
                  Feels like the age old story of a politicians term is way more important to the individual politician than ever fixing this.

                  So I’d bet no politician will ever try to fix this. It’s political suicide. I can see the tag line - pay 100% more state tax and we will never see this terrible situation again.

                  I feel sorry for the people hurt and endangered by the storm.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Chambokl View Post

                    Read in USA Today this morning that the damage is up to $50B . . .
                    The key question now is what is the 'insured damage'.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mcgsxr View Post
                      Feels like the age old story of a politicians term is way more important to the individual politician than ever fixing this.

                      So I’d bet no politician will ever try to fix this. It’s political suicide. I can see the tag line - pay 100% more state tax and we will never see this terrible situation again.

                      I feel sorry for the people hurt and endangered by the storm.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by rgk5 View Post

                        No state income tax in Texas.
                        People are already paying for it in other ways. People who normally pay $400.00-$500.00 a month are now getting electricity bills for $7000.00-$11,000.00.

                        When ERGOT generating stations went down, demand outpaced supply, and the Kw/h rates went through the roof.

                        Texas politicians want to use federal funds to help pay those bills.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by WWFS View Post

                          People are already paying for it in other ways. People who normally pay $400.00-$500.00 a month are now getting electricity bills for $7000.00-$11,000.00.

                          When ERGOT generating stations went down, demand outpaced supply, and the Kw/h rates went through the roof.

                          Texas politicians want to use federal funds to help pay those bills.
                          I am guessing that only for those who were on variable rates. I read due to supply demand rates went up 10,000 %

                          "Ahead of the storms, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages about 90 percent of the state’s electric load, underestimated how much power it would need. Because Texas is the only state in the Lower 48 that operates an independent electric grid, it could not receive help from neighboring states. Supply could not keep up with demand, leading the Public Utility Commission of Texas, which regulates Texas utility rates, to raise energy prices in an emergency meeting Monday.
                          On the same day, the wholesale price of electricity spiked more than 10,000 percent, leaving many Texans with dizzying bills in the wake of the storms — ranging from four digits to one for more than $17,000.""
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by WWFS View Post

                            People are already paying for it in other ways. People who normally pay $400.00-$500.00 a month are now getting electricity bills for $7000.00-$11,000.00.

                            When ERGOT generating stations went down, demand outpaced supply, and the Kw/h rates went through the roof.

                            Texas politicians want to use federal funds to help pay those bills.
                            This always makes me laugh. We love capitalism, until we don't. Now come bail us out.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Weirfan View Post

                              I am guessing that only for those who were on variable rates. I read due to supply demand rates went up 10,000 %

                              "Ahead of the storms, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which manages about 90 percent of the state’s electric load, underestimated how much power it would need. Because Texas is the only state in the Lower 48 that operates an independent electric grid, it could not receive help from neighboring states. Supply could not keep up with demand, leading the Public Utility Commission of Texas, which regulates Texas utility rates, to raise energy prices in an emergency meeting Monday.
                              On the same day, the wholesale price of electricity spiked more than 10,000 percent, leaving many Texans with dizzying bills in the wake of the storms — ranging from four digits to one for more than $17,000.""
                              I think that statement is more than a bit disingenuous. The reason supply could not keep up with demand was because ERCOT generating plants went down. From the numbers I saw, peak power demand was actually nowhere near what would be seen in the days of summer.

                              I have no problem with federal funds being used to help the people of Texas. I just question whether paying ERCOT's artificially high rates for something that they were responsible for, is where that money should go.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by WWFS View Post

                                I think that statement is more than a bit disingenuous. The reason supply could not keep up with demand was because ERCOT generating plants went down. From the numbers I saw, peak power demand was actually nowhere near what would be seen in the days of summer.

                                I have no problem with federal funds being used to help the people of Texas. I just question whether paying ERCOT's artificially high rates for something that they were responsible for, is where that money should go.
                                They do some maintenance (shut down) during the winter month . . . that was also going on . . .

                                They were asking if this could happen in Ontario . . . I guess Ontario has agreement with Quebec, Manitoba and some of the Northern States (NY, Michigan and Minny) . . . When you think you are smarter than everybody else, sometime you get burn . . .
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