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    I know there is probably a thread for this already but be darned if I can find it.

    A Burlington man was charged with stunt-driving this weekend and it is his SECOND time this year. Why can this guy still drive? He also got charged for having unpaid fines from the last time too.


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    You don't catch Mercedes drivers doing that sort of thing.


    Not to say that they don't do it, just that you don't catch them...

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    • #3
      Know somebody who works for one of the traffic ticket specialist services and this individual alone is representing numerous individuals with stunt driving charges every month, sometimes has 3-4 cases a week.

      From what I was told the charges are almost always reduced to a lesser charge for first time offenders ( that doesn't mean first time speeders but first time with a SD charge)

      Last time we spoke there were 3 SD cases in two days, 2 doing 80+ over that were settled for 49 over and one at 55 over that was reduced to 29 over. Those are significant and meaningful differences. Well worth the $500 fee.

      This guy like wont be as lucky the second time though, will probably get a big fine, plus the cost of towing, impound, his defence and insurance going forward if the charge sticks.





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      • #4
        Originally posted by Weirfan View Post
        Know somebody who works for one of the traffic ticket specialist services and this individual alone is representing numerous individuals with stunt driving charges every month, sometimes has 3-4 cases a week.

        From what I was told the charges are almost always reduced to a lesser charge for first time offenders ( that doesn't mean first time speeders but first time with a SD charge)

        Last time we spoke there were 3 SD cases in two days, 2 doing 80+ over that were settled for 49 over and one at 55 over that was reduced to 29 over. Those are significant and meaningful differences. Well worth the $500 fee.

        This guy like wont be as lucky the second time though, will probably get a big fine, plus the cost of towing, impound, his defence and insurance going forward if the charge sticks.




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          The second time should lead to harsh charges/fines. Unfortunately, these sort of immediate punishments are exponentially worse for those at lower income levels.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by hammy1983 View Post
            The second time should lead to harsh charges/fines. Unfortunately, these sort of immediate punishments are exponentially worse for those at lower income levels.
            Tough. Do the crime, do the time. It's quite easy not to speed 50+ over. Rich or poor, seize the car!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by hammy1983 View Post
              The second time should lead to harsh charges/fines. Unfortunately, these sort of immediate punishments are exponentially worse for those at lower income levels.
              Some countries base fines on income level.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by hammy1983 View Post
                Unfortunately, these sort of immediate punishments are exponentially worse for those at lower income levels.
                That may be true. However, if someone's lower-income lifestyle would be made worse by the loss of a vehicle, then perhaps they should not be abusing their driving privileges by 'stunt driving' with that vehicle. It's a choice, but some people are too stupid to realize it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hammy1983 View Post
                  The second time should lead to harsh charges/fines. Unfortunately, these sort of immediate punishments are exponentially worse for those at lower income levels.
                  Stupid is stupid regardless of what your T4 says.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Benz View Post

                    That may be true. However, if someone's lower-income lifestyle would be made worse by the loss of a vehicle, then perhaps they should not be abusing their driving privileges by 'stunt driving' with that vehicle. It's a choice, but some people are too stupid to realize it.
                    And as everyone knows, you can't fix stupid.

                    I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone (no matter the income level) stupid enough to exceed the limits for stunt driving. I can't tell you how many times driving around for work that I've been passed by people exceeding the posted limit by more than 50KPH because they just have to pass everyone on the road and get there first. I also can't tell you how many times that I've wished that idiot would meet a wandering hydro pole, totally demolish that BMW/Land Rover/Mercedes/customized Civic/whatever and walk away from it (I'd never wish injuries or worse on anyone). Now explain to the investigating officer why you have damage to your car that can only be caused by a 130KPH collision with a hydro pole and you're in an 60KPH zone!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Benz View Post

                      That may be true. However, if someone's lower-income lifestyle would be made worse by the loss of a vehicle, then perhaps they should not be abusing their driving privileges by 'stunt driving' with that vehicle. It's a choice, but some people are too stupid to realize it.
                      Perhaps then fines that slide up based on income level? Surely the level of fine that would serve as a deterrent to an individual making 30k/yr is not that same as the level of fine required to serve as a deterrent to someone earning 250k/yr?
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                      • #12
                        As someone mentioned. some countries do base the fines based on the income of the offender. This is not really any more of a deterent, but does raise revenue.

                        On another note, not all stunt driving is the same. When everyone on the 407 is doing 130, is it really stunt driving to be going 150?
                        There are plenty of places in Ontario that are 80 on the rural roads. There also a fair number of hills that drop blind down into a 50 zone, with no prior warning sign. Lots of people go 100 on those roads(heck in Alberta, 100 is the limit on those kind of roads), so is it stunt driving to suddenly find yourself in a 50 zone that you did not expect?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wlorcb View Post
                          As someone mentioned. some countries do base the fines based on the income of the offender. This is not really any more of a deterent, but does raise revenue.

                          On another note, not all stunt driving is the same. When everyone on the 407 is doing 130, is it really stunt driving to be going 150?
                          There are plenty of places in Ontario that are 80 on the rural roads. There also a fair number of hills that drop blind down into a 50 zone, with no prior warning sign. Lots of people go 100 on those roads(heck in Alberta, 100 is the limit on those kind of roads), so is it stunt driving to suddenly find yourself in a 50 zone that you did not expect?
                          Yes it is whether we agree with it or not. A lot of those 50 K/H roads around here and boy does 50 feel slow on them with no other cars in sight.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Weirfan View Post

                            Some countries base fines on income level.


                            Something similar doesn’t seem like an awful idea.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wlorcb View Post
                              On another note, not all stunt driving is the same. When everyone on the 407 is doing 130, is it really stunt driving to be going 150?
                              I understand your point, but they have to set the limit to something specific.

                              The 407 is a wide-open 3-4-5-lane highway with lots of room (almost all of the time), so it may not really be a dangerous situation for a single vehicle to do 150kph. However, how many instances have we seen recently where high-performance vehicles are being driven at these speeds in the closer confines of Highways 401, 403 and 427? Not the same driving conditions at all.

                              We have also seen instances where the vehicles are easily capable of 150kph, but the drivers are clearly not up to the task.

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