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  • Originally posted by WWFS View Post


    If Meadows comes in and says she's lying, the hearings come crashing down.

    ...
    Maybe. Depends on what or who else they have to corroborate.
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    • Originally posted by ginrin View Post
      America doesn't have the balls to charge a former president as it would be such an embarrassment for them.
      You might think so but not doing it might be worse. Unstable Government in the “greatest Democracy in the world?” Not really a strong message right now.

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      • Originally posted by Fredk View Post
        Maybe. Depends on what or who else they have to corroborate.
        Exactly, if other corroborate and he lies then he gets the jumpsuit for contempt? Isn’t it illegal to lie to this committee?

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          • Originally posted by WWFS View Post

            The only thing worse for America than charging Trump, is not charging Trump.

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            • Originally posted by Marty Canuck View Post

              Exactly, if other corroborate and he lies then he gets the jumpsuit for contempt? Isn’t it illegal to lie to this committee?
              Probably. There is also an outside chance he gets charged with something by the DOJ. He probably takes the fall before Trump. I'm not convinced that the DOJ will go after a sitting politician though unless there is very, very, VERY compelling evidence.
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              • Yesterday's testimony by Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to Meadows and congressional liason, removed any doubt, if there was any, that former, tantum throwing President, Donald Trump, was fully aware of the serious dangers posed by the armed individuals who marched on, and broke into, the Capital building on January 6th. More than that, he either encouraged them in their criminal behaviour or initially refused to bring them to heel. Neither the US Constitution nor the law would deter him from seeking to usurp the will of the voters and claim the office of the presidency for himself.

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                • Originally posted by mpare View Post
                  Yesterday's testimony by Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to Meadows and congressional liason, removed any doubt, if there was any, that former, tantum throwing President, Donald Trump, was fully aware of the serious dangers posed by the armed individuals who marched on, and broke into, the Capital building on January 6th. More than that, he either encouraged them in their criminal behaviour or initially refused to bring them to heel. Neither the US Constitution nor the law would deter him from seeking to usurp the will of the voters and claim the office of the presidency for himself.

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                  The Secret Service is now disputing the incident inside "the Beast", and have said the agents involved are willing to testify under oath.

                  I know she was only relaying what someone told her happened, but (especially in today's America), doesn't that shine a different light on her entire testimony?

                  I have no doubt it's enough for Trump, his supporters, and the entire GOP to discredit her testimony completely.
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                  • Originally posted by WWFS View Post

                    The Secret Service is now disputing the incident inside "the Beast", and have said the agents involved are willing to testify under oath.

                    I know she was only relaying what someone told her happened, but (especially in today's America), doesn't that shine a different light on her entire testimony?

                    I have no doubt it's enough for Trump, his supporters, and the entire GOP to discredit her testimony completely.
                    What I have read is that they wouldn't have had her testify if the committee couldn't corroborate what she was to say.
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                    • Originally posted by Jeffc View Post

                      What I have read is that they wouldn't have had her testify if the committee couldn't corroborate what she was to say.
                      Tony Arnato, who was Deputy Chief of Staff, now says categorically that he never told her that story. Apparently, Robert Engel, who was the Secret Service in Charge on that day, is willing to testify that it never happened.

                      There were only 3 people in that room; Hutchinson, Ornato, and Engel. Two of them say it didn't happen.

                      Regardless of who is telling the truth, it has to hurt her entire testimony.
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                      • Originally posted by WWFS View Post

                        Tony Arnato, who was Deputy Chief of Staff, now says categorically that he never told her that story. Apparently, Robert Engel, who was the Secret Service in Charge on that day, is willing to testify that it never happened.

                        There were only 3 people in that room; Hutchinson, Ornato, and Engel. Two of them say it didn't happen.

                        Regardless of who is telling the truth, it has to hurt her entire testimony.
                        Even if she quoted heresay inaccurately, it is by far the least important evidence given that day. The other evidence including Stone taking the Fifth numerous times is far more compelling.
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                        • Originally posted by rgk5 View Post

                          Even if she quoted heresay inaccurately, it is by far the least important evidence given that day. The other evidence including Stone taking the Fifth numerous times is far more compelling.
                          If they can’t back it up with other testimony I’m surprised they would go there at all. If it isn’t backed up and looks like a “lie” that’s all the other side needs to cast doubt on all her testimony.

                          But on the other side, has anyone in Secret Service ever turned on the President they protected?

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                          • Originally posted by Marty Canuck View Post

                            If they can’t back it up with other testimony I’m surprised they would go there at all. If it isn’t backed up and looks like a “lie” that’s all the other side needs to cast doubt on all her testimony.

                            But on the other side, has anyone in Secret Service ever turned on the President they protected?
                            If it were this easy to disprove or discredit, I can't see how or why they went there.

                            They've had plenty of time and they're not stupid.

                            It definitely puts her entire testimony in question.

                            And it was a fundamentally trivial piece in her testimony.
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                            • Originally posted by Marty Canuck View Post

                              If they can’t back it up with other testimony I’m surprised they would go there at all. If it isn’t backed up and looks like a “lie” that’s all the other side needs to cast doubt on all her testimony.

                              But on the other side, has anyone in Secret Service ever turned on the President they protected?
                              Were they not protecting him by not allowing him to go to the Capitol?

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                              • Originally posted by rgk5 View Post

                                Even if she quoted heresay inaccurately, it is by far the least important evidence given that day. The other evidence including Stone taking the Fifth numerous times is far more compelling.
                                ^^^^ This.

                                Not to mention they now have the sitting president knowingly inciting armed supporters to approach The Capitol to overturn the election results.

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