last round at Nobelton

[caddishack]

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I was with the swingeasyguy that day and it felt longer than 5 hours to me.

It started on the second hole. The group in front was just teeing off when we arrived. I could see nobody on the 5th hole par 3 while we waited.
3rd hole, again the group was on the tee box waiting to hit and we waited at least 5 minutes before they even hit. This type of slow play right off the start infuriates me.
4th hole was a longer wait at the tee box and then the par 3 it seemed to start to speed up, until the 8th hole where we waited for 2 groups to go. marshal sitting there and he said the group in front of the 2 waiting were very slow.
Nice to see he was doing something about it.

So now after 3 hours we sit at the new 10th hole for the view which is the original 17th hole (when it was 18 and you were allowed to walk). We sat again as 2 groups were waiting. I noticed that there was no one on the island par 3 which is now the 3rd hole on the view, and then about 5 minutes later a husband and wife show up. I don't know as a twosome how they could be so far behind a group ahead. They teed off and finished the hole, and I looked at the 18th green....nobody was there. I got out of the cart and walked up to the 18th fairway and see this 4 some of non golfers way back before the ponds, driving all over the place looking for balls.

The rest of the way was a little faster but not much. I warned my partners when we booked the course that it would be this way. Needless to say I played like %$%^

[spinaltap]

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I was with the swingeasyguy that day and it felt longer than 5 hours to me.

It started on the second hole. The group in front was just teeing off when we arrived. I could see nobody on the 5th hole par 3 while we waited.
3rd hole, again the group was on the tee box waiting to hit and we waited at least 5 minutes before they even hit. This type of slow play right off the start infuriates me.
4th hole was a longer wait at the tee box and then the par 3 it seemed to start to speed up, until the 8th hole where we waited for 2 groups to go. marshal sitting there and he said the group in front of the 2 waiting were very slow.
Nice to see he was doing something about it.

So now after 3 hours we sit at the new 10th hole for the view which is the original 17th hole (when it was 18 and you were allowed to walk). We sat again as 2 groups were waiting. I noticed that there was no one on the island par 3 which is now the 3rd hole on the view, and then about 5 minutes later a husband and wife show up. I don't know as a twosome how they could be so far behind a group ahead. They teed off and finished the hole, and I looked at the 18th green....nobody was there. I got out of the cart and walked up to the 18th fairway and see this 4 some of non golfers way back before the ponds, driving all over the place looking for balls.

The rest of the way was a little faster but not much. I warned my partners when we booked the course that it would be this way. Needless to say I played like %$%^

Well that certainly does suck after reading your recap of the round. IMO the re-ordered view 9 makes things worse. Memebers didn't like starting on a challenging par 3 (island green) and then some golf reviewer said he would like to see it re-ordered as well. SO right in the middle of the season the pros go and change the order around. You can image for the first few weeks people were all confused and going to the wrong hole

[caddishack]

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Well that certainly does suck after reading your recap of the round. IMO the re-ordered view 9 makes things worse. Memebers didn't like starting on a challenging par 3 (island green) and then some golf reviewer said he would like to see it re-ordered as well. SO right in the middle of the season the pros go and change the order around. You can image for the first few weeks people were all confused and going to the wrong hole

On the bright side it was a nice day and got some rays. Just a note for others....garman has not made the change for those using their watches...kinda sucked

[Sportyluis]

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It's barely exercise - walking > carts >(barely) sitting at home.

I'll disagree with this only because if you have two golfers who shoot 120 and are constantly walking to their ball and taking a lot of swings then driving a cart while golfing will still be a lot of exercise. The problem with all these numbers is the players ability. I used to go in carts all the time when I started playing because I was so worried about being slow but now since I've improved I enjoy walking far more

[Arthur Dailey]

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My numbers were lifted from some such study but not vetted. My point was simply that golfing with a power cart is still exercise and in no way do they contribute to the overall poor health of our society. In fact it's likely the opposite as they open up the game to those either unwilling or unable to walk the course.

However after being outside in the fresh air, riding in your cart, how many calories do you consume?

And walking helps to build muscle which contributes to better health.

I am all for allowing those who otherwise could not participate being allowed to ride. Otherwise .............................

And as for courses that are built in such a way as to require a cart, that I believe is a waste of money and space and perhaps demonstrates a lack of foresight by the architect.

[Oakbridge]

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My numbers were lifted from some such study but not vetted. My point was simply that golfing with a power cart is still exercise and in no way do they contribute to the overall poor health of our society. In fact it's likely the opposite as they open up the game to those either unwilling or unable to walk the course.

I'm pretty good at reading sarcasm. I hope that I missed yours and that you're not actually believing that riding in a cart is anything close to being excercise. It's not.

I'd love to have some form of certificate to allow those that need a cart to be able to use one. For the rest of us, we walk.

Although I can agree with swingeasyguy. Hot humid days and when you're playing 36

[bogey5]

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It's been a while since I played there but I think it was a better course when 18 holes.

Carts are more about rental revenue than pace.

Ironically it's one of only 2 courses where I've seen a marshal make a slow group pickup and drop at the 150 marker. I guess things have changed.

[sikoram]

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The next time you play out of a cart, put on a pedometer. You will be surprised how many steps you do take. At Bear Mountain we had an employee health contest wearing pedometers in our jobs. I was the starter on the Valley Course for 6 hours. I walked 7500 meters back and forth to carts etc. It was a surprise to me. No wonder my feet, not my butt, swell.

My usual walking round on the golf course is around 9000 including walking throughout the day to the course parking lot, concession stand etc. I Phones have an app as well for distance travelled and my wife's Garmin S2 GPS watch also has an odometer.

The up shot is, no matter what you are doing on the golf course, you are moving and burning calories.

[WDM1980]

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Well that certainly does suck after reading your recap of the round. IMO the re-ordered view 9 makes things worse. Memebers didn't like starting on a challenging par 3 (island green) and then some golf reviewer said he would like to see it re-ordered as well. SO right in the middle of the season the pros go and change the order around. You can image for the first few weeks people were all confused and going to the wrong hole

I recall that being discussed a couple years ago. The idea was so that they could use the view as a front 9 where you wouldn't have to tee off to an island green. Now it seems all three 9s start with a par 5 - two of those are dog leg par 5s with semi-blind tee shots. I'm not sure how wise that is. The View now starts with a blind dog leg par 5, a very tough par 4, and then an island green par 3. That's a recipe for a slow start. Lakes isn't much better with a dog leg tough par 5 followed by a par 3.

What Caddieshack described at the turn has happened to me a few times - get to the turn and find yourself behind groups who are just starting their rounds, or crossing over from another 9 and have priority over you.

It's really a shame they have these issues at Nobelton. I find the course can be a lot of fun, but forced carts and slow play, not to mention no real range and pricing will keep me away.

[dmcdam]

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I'm pretty good at reading sarcasm. I hope that I missed yours and that you're not actually believing that riding in a cart is anything close to being excercise. It's not.

I'd love to have some form of certificate to allow those that need a cart to be able to use one. For the rest of us, we walk.

Although I can agree with swingeasyguy. Hot humid days and when you're playing 36

Oh gawd really? Read studies - it does burn calories. My point was saying that golf carts contribute to health problems. They aren't bags of chips FFS.

Don't really want to debate this but who the hell are you to decide how others get to play the game? Just worry about yourself and you'll be just fine

[bogey5]

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I'm pretty good at reading sarcasm. I hope that I missed yours and that you're not actually believing that riding in a cart is anything close to being excercise. It's not.

I'd love to have some form of certificate to allow those that need a cart to be able to use one. For the rest of us, we walk.

Although I can agree with swingeasyguy. Hot humid days and when you're playing 36

Ok. Why not a certificate to show you're qualified to even play while you're at it as has been done elsewhere? Golf is too inclusive. We need fewer golfers and fewer courses to fix things.

[4underthru9]

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Dormant Butt Syndrome apparently, is everywhere, butt is golf the cure or the cause.

[dmcdam]

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Dormant Butt Syndrome apparently, is everywhere, butt is golf the cure or the cause.

For some golf is exercise, some just a fun thing to play, and some believe it's their divine right to project how they want the game to be played by everyone. Not dissimilar to religion really.

[dmcdam]

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Sorry DM but I'll agree to disagree with you re carts, and opening up the game to newbies. I do ride a cart on two occasions: when it's brutally hot and humid over 90) and when I'm playing 36, I'll usually walk the first 18 though. I play with many older golfers in their mid to late 70's who walk and carry and they all have one thing in common: they're not overweight in the least. Riding a cart means sitting. We have become a nation of sitters. I sold high end pillows and back supports to chiropractors and physiotherapists, and have presented many a seminar on one of the leading cause of headaches and backaches: the effect of gravity on our body, and the damage it does to the spine. Swimming and walking are a fantastic anti gravity activity, and to me it's a shame that golfers choose to ride (unless physically disabled) where the health benefits are so obvious. Besides, riding a cart to me seems like golf becomes a race to finish the round as opposed to really taking the time to enjoy the nature walk. But each to his/her own.

Correlation does not imply causation.

From Wiki:

"Correlation definitely implies causation" (IN ALL CASES NO MATTER WHAT) is a phrase used in statistics to emphasize that a correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other.[1][2] Many statistical tests calculate correlation between variables. A few go further, using correlation as a basis for testing a hypothesis of a true causal relationship; examples are the Granger causality test and convergent cross mapping.[clarification needed (hypothesis testing not well explained here)]

The counter-assumption, that "correlation proves causation," is considered a questionable cause logical fallacy in that two events occurring together are taken to have a cause-and-effect relationship. This fallacy is also known as *** hoc ergo propter hoc, Latin for "with this, therefore because of this," and "false cause." A similar fallacy, that an event that follows another was necessarily a consequence of the first event, is sometimes described as post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "after this, therefore because of this.")

[sauerkraut]

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When either Latin or Hitler gets referenced, you know that a thread has gone entirely off tangent.

Stick a fork in this one.