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  • #16
    Re: Let's Talk Putting

    Originally posted by Benz View Post
    I suppose it depends on your personal golf-related goals. That is, if you really want to improve your overall scoring, then being a good putter is essential and you must practice it in order to improve. However, if you enjoy ball-striking and are not concerned about how well you score, then don't bother with putting practice and live with the results. You may even find that you become a (slightly) better putter when you stop caring about it too much.

    Some suggestions:
    1) Practice with a friend;
    2) Practice with only one ball;
    3) 'Play' a course using all the holes on the practice green;
    4) Don't spend too much time on long lag putting; focus on 12-footers or less;
    Better putting is the result of a couple of things:

    Finding your style of swing and getting a putter that's appropriate to it.
    Practice. And practice effectively - good suggestions above.

    I think landshark has a good point about preferred pace. I feel comfortable with a die-in pace, and find it really hard to hit it at the back of the hole. Whenever I do that (e.g. in a match where the next putt doesn't matter, or to try to take the break out of the line on a short putt) I tend to miss. I now go for the die-in, but just a little extra to ensure it doesn't end up short.

    I also think a LOT of people find it boring to practice putting. (I'd agree). And your opening point is entirely correct. Not everyone is trying to score as low as possible. You see tons of golfers going for the hero shot, and when it works it's a great feeling. And when it doesn't, it's just a couple of strokes added to your score - for many that's a fair trade-off. It's a trade I often make. You're spending your time and money - do whatever gives you the best bang for the buck.

    Maybe for us mid-to-high cappers, we're still so inconsistent that a well-struck shot is more rewarding than a well-holed putt. So that's what people practice most.

    One thing about practicing lag putts - I think you should ALWAYS hole each one out, and keep track of your three-putts. It gives you incentive to make a decent lag, and it gives you a variety of short (or not so short) putts to make with a goal for doing it.

    I would definitely recommend a putting lesson if you've never taken one. Because the shot is so short, it's easy to do okay with a self-taught stroke, but a lesson can give you ideas to work on. Having said that, I was told to change my grip (I put my index finger along the shaft) and that just didn't work at all.

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    • #17
      Re: Let's Talk Putting

      Originally posted by landshark View Post

      Generally speaking, I would say there are 3 different correct lines to sink most putts. #1 is the line for "die in" pace; #2 is the line for "back of the cup" pace; #3 is "slam dunk" or "hail mary" pace.
      I have a video on my laptop featuring the inventor of Aimpoint and David Orr. They both agree that method #1 will result in the most putts made on average.
      I like big putts and I cannot lie
      You other putters can't deny
      That when a putt goes in with an itty bitty pace
      You're gonna fist pump in their face - Sir Putts-A-Lot

      It's how well you golf fast!!!!

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      • #18
        Re: Let's Talk Putting

        Anthony:

        I agree, it does seem unfair. Some of the greatest ball strikers in history could not putt. As great as Hogan and Snead were in there day the dreaded yips got them both. Hogan would stand over the ball for 20-25 seconds and then the putter would just explode. This was at the end of his career. Amazing what out our minds do to us.
        "A goal without a plan is just a wish"

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        • #19
          Re: Let's Talk Putting

          dlam: Pretty hard to make putting more interesting than hitting good shots. We used to putt for cash, with one down presses and it was fun and challenging and you could make a quick 20 or so or maybe lose.
          "A goal without a plan is just a wish"

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          • #20
            Re: Let's Talk Putting

            Chris:

            Couild't agree more, we all get caught up in mechanics so much it destroys. On the putting green and range we work on mechanics and on the golf course we react to the situation at hand. I believe it has to be that way or it won't work. Pretty difficult to not think mechanics on the course.
            "A goal without a plan is just a wish"

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            • #21
              Re: Let's Talk Putting

              TourIQ: Putting can boring and can also be hard on the lower back. If we all spent the time we spend hitting full shots on putting we would all score lower but for some that is not the joy of the game. Nothing like a well struck full shot. Like your drill. I usually practice from 2,4,and 6 feet and generally use a Momentus Putting Trainer. Trying to ingrain inside to down the line with no face manipulation. I think most golfers use putters that are too long for them, especially women. All golfers should be fitted for a putter. All serious golfers should keep stats for putts, fairways, GIR, etc. to help isolate areas of concern.
              "A goal without a plan is just a wish"

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              • #22
                Re: Let's Talk Putting

                Hi Troll: Suprised by Roberts numbers. Totally agree with feeding the subconscious. I like the idea of committing to what I am doing and then just execute without any conscious thought of result. Can't make it go in have to let it go in. Too many golfers are high anxiety putters and freeze over putts. I remember Faxon saying that once he made up his mind as to what he was going to do with the putt he just walked up and stroked it freely. Easier said than done.
                "A goal without a plan is just a wish"

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                • #23
                  Re: Let's Talk Putting

                  Didn't Hogan say golf and putting are 2 different games. One is played in the air the other on the ground. (or something like that).

                  A good putter reads the green correctly. Then aims correctly and strokes the putt at the right pace and along the intended line.

                  I find that I make way more putts when I use aimpoint or a good caddy(when available) to read the greens and spend a little more time checking my aim.
                  What other people may find in poetry or art museums, I find in the flight of a good drive.
                  - Arnold Palmer

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                  • #24
                    Re: Let's Talk Putting

                    Troll: I did an aimpoint session with Steve Chapman. Interesting but didn't stick with it. Will revisit.
                    "A goal without a plan is just a wish"

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                    • #25
                      Re: Let's Talk Putting

                      Originally posted by Solutions Fore Golfe View Post
                      Troll: I did an aimpoint session with Steve Chapman. Interesting but didn't stick with it. Will revisit.
                      I have a get together scheduled with John Graham in the near future though Aimpoint isn't the real reason for the lesson. Have learned a lot about reading greens from Aimpoint but haven't gotten into (and likely won't) the whole area of charting.
                      I like big putts and I cannot lie
                      You other putters can't deny
                      That when a putt goes in with an itty bitty pace
                      You're gonna fist pump in their face - Sir Putts-A-Lot

                      It's how well you golf fast!!!!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Let's Talk Putting

                        I got to play 10 holes with Moe Norman at St. George's once. Moe and I hit the first 5 greens in regulation respectively. Moe would fix his ball mark, pick up his ball and head to the next tee. I was hitting it pretty close and had good looks at birdie but was rushing to keep up. Basicslly take a look and miss, tap in and sprint to catch up. At the sixth he picked up again. I was in the greenside bunker and was a touch flustered. Moe walked past me when I asked "Hey Moe, how's your putting"? Without hesitation he replied "best part of my game, best part of my game". I shut up, picked up and kept up
                        The last 4 holes were very enjoyable.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Let's Talk Putting

                          Yeh, Moe was an interesting man. I met him in the late 70's when I was playing the Canadian Tour. We used to go to Royal Oak in Titusville Fla. and Moe would drive down from Ormond Beach where he stayed each year and just walk around and talk to us and hit balls. He used to dump about four hundred balls about twenty yards from the very small pitching green which had a bunker in front of it. He would only use a pitching wedge and hit the balls on the green and they would roll out about five feet and stop every time. He used a pitching wedge around the greens as he had a Bite Sandwedge and could not hit it off the ground. He was a genius with that pitching wedge. A lot of people never knew how good his short game was. Never could putt well. Could talk about Moe forever. Very idiosyncratic and one of a kind. Greatest ball striker in the history of golf. No doubt about that. I miss him all the time.
                          "A goal without a plan is just a wish"

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                          • #28
                            Re: Let's Talk Putting

                            Originally posted by Solutions Fore Golfe View Post
                            He would only use a pitching wedge and hit the balls on the green and they would roll out about five feet and stop every time. He used a pitching wedge around the greens as he had a Bite Sandwedge and could not hit it off the ground. He was a genius with that pitching wedge.
                            Everyone knew that he loved kids....one day he was hitting pitch shots at Brantford when a member's child asked him if he was using a sandwedge....he said "pitching, pitching wedge, no sandwedge, pitching wedge".

                            That is how I have always known that he always used his pitching wedge.
                            I like big putts and I cannot lie
                            You other putters can't deny
                            That when a putt goes in with an itty bitty pace
                            You're gonna fist pump in their face - Sir Putts-A-Lot

                            It's how well you golf fast!!!!

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                            • #29
                              Re: Let's Talk Putting

                              I'm as guilty of this as the next guy, but I truly believe people overcomplicate putting.
                              My putting has improved dramatically this year with two changes:
                              - bought a daddy long legs putter, and I've committed to it (have been a bit of a putter ho in the past)
                              - stopped thinking about anything even remotely mechanical while I putt

                              Here's my current favourite drill (maybe do it at the end of the day, as you'll get some looks):
                              - grab 2-3 golf balls and head to the practice putting green
                              - *important* Do Not Bring Your Putter
                              - pick a spot on the green to start from, and work your way around the putting green underhand tossing the balls to the holes
                              - after doing a cycle around the green, go grab your putter and repeat the cycle. While putting, all you think about is tossing the ball to the hole

                              If you are struggling with your putting, I encourage you to try it.
                              You might be surprised at how it frees up your thinking while you putt.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Let's Talk Putting

                                I find it interesting that so many don't like or find putting interesting. The whole object of the game is to put the ball in the hole. You can't do that from the tee on a par 4. You most likely won't do that from the tee on a par 3, but the moment you get on the green...

                                Every put, I know I can sink it because that's what you do putting and, for me, that makes it fun. There is no better sound in golf than the ball rattling around in the cup.
                                In The Bag

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                                "You're just expected to work and die ...
                                and maybe buy some useless s**t you don't need inbetween"

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