World's refugee problem

[guitarman]

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I understand that my response would insight such arguments, and I understand these arguments. I still have to ask the question, I understand the choice between death and leaving, but faced with the same choice here in my homeland, I would chose to fight.

We should accept some refugees, but the root issues are not cut and paste. There are many refugees who have been trying to leave their countries for a long time(prior to civil unrest of the current scale).

Its great you'd stay and fight. If faced with the insurmountable odds that these refugees face I admire them thinking of their families first.

[bogeyorbetter]

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Many of the refugees fleeing are not from syria. I have read numerous reports on other migrants pretending to be Syrian refugees, mostly from Pakistan and Yemen. Many of those fleeing have no form of identification, no way for their history to be traced. I wonder how many ISIL or other radicalists are among them.

[bl8d]

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Frankly I am not that worried about sleeper cells.
We are calling this wave a Syrian refugee crisis, but a significant portion is composed from Libya,Yemen, Iraq and Pakistan.
Without vetting there is no way to be certain of who is who.

The questionable component of every migrant wave are the economic opportunists that are more likely to be fast tracked because they are educated, have money and posses employable skills. Canada might now be morally obligated to temporarily shunt them to the side.
Are we loading the cart before we have a horse big enough to pull it?

[outthere]

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Many of those fleeing have no form of identification, no way for their history to be traced. I wonder how many ISIL or other radicalists are among them.

This would be my concern, I have heard some have refused to be fingerprinted. ISIL has already said they are planting people in refugee groups to get into other countries.

[makeitseven]

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I think that a nation of great wealth and resource, which chose to actively destabilize Syria is now noticeably absent from the refugee response.

[golfinseb]

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If these people chose to fight, they would die. That should be blatantly obvious.

I understand this view, however the Kurds have proven otherwise.

[Fredk]

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I understand this view, however the Kurds have proven otherwise.

And they would do even better if someone actually gave them weapons...

Unless you side with the Libyan government or ISIL, where exactly are you going to get weapons to fight with?

[dmcdam]

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And they would do even better if someone actually gave them weapons...

Unless you side with the Libyan government or ISIL, where exactly are you going to get weapons to fight with?

And could you actually see things working out well for you no matter who won?

[Pin Seeker]

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Why aren't Russia China, taking these people.

Saudi Arabia and muslin countries should be taking them in,

[FederalAuditor]

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http://www.infowars.com/migrant-cris...-to-broadcast/

*Disclaimer* I've not tried to vet that video in any way. Take what's being said in it with a grain of salt.

I'm not particularly fond of Alex Jones, but I do appreciate the way he forces me to (at least) consider viewpoints I hadn't considered before. Knowing AJ's MO, I'd imagine that video is heavily biased and one-sided. However, if someone were looking for a reason to say no to opening Canada's doors, this video probably speaks to them.

Personally, I'm undecided as to what the correct course of action is, I just know that there are a lot of very desperate people out there in need of help.

[bl8d]

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I think that a nation of great wealth and resource, which chose to actively destabilize Syria is now noticeably absent from the refugee response.

No longer. They are accepting 10.000 by end of '16.

[bl8d]

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Personally, this sudden compassion is overwrought and over-hyped by the western media. The refugees expectations are set too high, and the general populace of Europe is not prepared to meet this. Hungary is coming out as the Ogre at the moment but if the demands by the refugees become too strident, the inevitable backlash will ensue. Germany may look like heroes at the moment but the past acrimony with their Turk guestwerker might be a learning experience to draw on. Point is, they will have to address both these migrant issues now, or ironically be accused of discrimination by the Turks.

[bl8d]

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the blame games have started.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-13/germany-warns-at-limit-of-capacity-as-migrant-numbers-surge/6772288

Germany,as it request help from other Euro nations, is accused for starting this mess. Give it another week and the padded gloves will come off.

Harpers cautious approach to the refugee problem may be the right approach. Asking Canadians to put their own money before their mouth is probably the best measure of our purity.

[Fredk]

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...Harpers cautious approach to the refugee problem may be the right approach. Asking Canadians to put their own money before their mouth is probably the best measure of our purity.

Growing up in a rural community I learned one simple thing. You help because you can.

We have the ability and the wealth to take in far more refugees far more quickly.

Stephen Harpers' approach has been to ignore the situation. This latest money matching promise is a response he was forced into by public opinion and is the absolute least he could do aside from his previous non-response.

We can. We should. It's as simple as that.

[Ignatius Reilly]

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Growing up in a rural community I learned one simple thing. You help because you can.

We have the ability and the wealth to take in far more refugees far more quickly.

Stephen Harpers' approach has been to ignore the situation. This latest money matching promise is a response he was forced into by public opinion and is the absolute least he could do aside from his previous non-response.

We can. We should. It's as simple as that.

I feel the same way.

There will be challenges created by this. I overheard a rather loud Austrian-Canadian woman talking about it in a clinic waiting room the other day. She spoke of villages of 800 who now had 300 refugees. And they want mosques and elements of Sharia Law. This is a problem.

Still, dealing with these challenges pale in comparison to what these people are fleeing. For the most part, these are brave people who have tried to take their futures into their own hands. Not a bad quality.

@FedAud: You simply cannot take ANYTHING from Alex Jones seriously. He is either quite mad, or just faking it for good money. Either way he's off limits.

@bl8d, if the US has indeed agreed to take in 10,000 refugees, that puts them at a rate that's about 1/10 of our response. And that's shameful.

We have a lot to be thankful for in this country.

Apparently most Germans feel the same.

Germans in Munich lining up to find out how they can help:



Refugees sort through donated clothing in Dortmund: