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[TourIQ]

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Hopefully one day he's doing 70 in a 50 and someone shoots out a tire.

It would be justified.

Since when is 20 km over the speed limit a criminal offense? 99% of the cops will let 20 over slide.

[callaway123]

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Thankfully, not in this country. There's just to many idjuts out there who would qualify to carry. We have law enforcement to enforce the law. Seems to work pretty well if you ask me.

What a joke.

Do you know of many violent crimes or home invasions that are stopped by LEO's. Because I don't.

Remember, when seconds count, the Police are minutes away.

I'm all for carry for personal protection. Our system is pretty good at screening out the circus freaks.

[Pimento Cheese]

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Since when is 20 km over the speed limit a criminal offense? 99% of the cops will let 20 over slide.

But we're not talking about cops. Gun control won't take guns away from cops. We're talking about civilians. Civilians don't care if it's a criminal offence, or how fast you're driving above the speed limit. You're driving through their neighbourhood way too fast and you scared the crap out of their dog. Taking a bullet is a foreseeable outcome. You're running the risk of a lot more than you bargained for.

[bogeyorbetter]

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guns should be legal to own and illegal to carry in public. Would prevent a lot of what we see in the news, and then they truly would be for protection, as opposed to intimidation which is their primarily role in american society.

[laps]

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But we're not talking about cops. Gun control won't take guns away from cops. We're talking about civilians. Civilians don't care if it's a criminal offence, or how fast you're driving above the speed limit. You're driving through their neighbourhood way too fast and you scared the crap out of their dog. Taking a bullet is a foreseeable outcome. You're running the risk of a lot more than you bargained for.

Has that ever happened ? In Canada and the US legal gun owners have lower violent crime rates than the average population. The NRA should come up with proposals on how to prevent the nut jobs from getting guns. Strategically they are hurting the long term prospects of their membership by not sitting at the table with other stakeholders to find solutions.

[Pingeye2_fan]

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Since when is 20 km over the speed limit a criminal offense? 99% of the cops will let 20 over slide.

Yeah but they don't have to, I think 70 in a 50 is worse than 120 in a 100.

What about a good citizen with a radar gun that's tired of seeing you doing 20 over through a school zone.

[smc66]

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In Canada and the US legal gun owners have lower violent crime rates than the average population.

Link?

[SeanFTW]

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Since when is 20 km over the speed limit a criminal offense? 99% of the cops will let 20 over slide.

Thanks for avoiding my post.

[SeanFTW]

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guns should be legal to own and illegal to carry in public. Would prevent a lot of what we see in the news, and then they truly would be for protection, as opposed to intimidation which is their primarily role in american society.

first of all, guns being legal to own and illegal to carry in public would not prevent what we see in the news. aside from the people who have conceal carry permits, the law is that they can own guns but can't carry them in public. So, I don't see how the laws that are currently in place prevent these mass killings, especially seeing as, well, they aren't.

i don't think anybody is saying guns shouldn't be legal to own. the argument is for common sense gun laws and making it more difficult for mentally unstable people to buy guns. All of the guns used in these shootings were owned legally. Had there been a proper screening process in place, maybe these guys wouldn't have been able to acquire a gun so easily, and maybe these tragedies could have been avoided. I don't understand why anybody could possibly be against this.

The problem with the gun debate, is that the NRA and the right wing media have people believing that the Obama is trying to take away their guns, which is simply not true.

[mpare]

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Charges have been filed against the woman who blasted away at suspected shoplifters.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2015/10/13/clarkston-woman-charged-firing-gun-home-depot/73862066/

[Fredk]

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Obviously we were both talking existing situation in the US were some states allow both concealed and open personal weapon.

In this thread I think it is important to state the obvious.

I'm for complete gun control in Urban Town, But, come hunting season, farmers have to protect their livestock.

In the whole time I lived on my parents farm, I can think of three instances where a gun was pulled to protect livestock. All three were to shoot wild dogs dumped by dumb arsed city slickers. In our society there is no real compelling need for guns. Well, unless you can shoot the dumb arses until they stop dumping dogs...

[Benz]

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As bl8d stated, things get sloppy fast due to the chain of events. If you are guilty of a criminal offense, then be prepared for the final outcome regardless of the eventual severity.

Except that the alleged shoplifter wasn't guilty of anything at the point where the person started shooting at him. Innocent UNLESS proven guilty, and that process doesn't take place in a parking lot.

[Benz]

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guns should be legal to own and illegal to carry in public. Would prevent a lot of what we see in the news, and then they truly would be for protection, as opposed to intimidation which is their primarily role in american society.

For America, it's too late. The proliferation of guns over the course of many generations has made the need for personal protection a necessary evil. That being said, Canada is nowhere near America in terms of guns per capita. So, to allow and encourage carrying guns would be grossly counter-productive. Your assertion that more people carrying guns would prevent 'a lot of what we see in the news' is simply not supported empirical evidence.

[Benz]

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The NRA should come up with proposals on how to prevent the nut jobs from getting guns.

The NRA will never endorse any meaningful legislation which pre-emptively restricts non-criminals from acquiring firearms. In their view, such legislation would simply be a precursor to broader legislation that would eventually be used to virtually eliminate the right to posess lots of guns.
If the massacre at Sandy Hook didn't change the attitude of the NRA regarding guns in the hands of the insane, then nothing ever will. In fact, the NRA used Sandy Hook to double-down on their sustained position that more guns mean more safety.

[TourIQ]

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Yeah but they don't have to, I think 70 in a 50 is worse than 120 in a 100.
What about a good citizen with a radar gun that's tired of seeing you doing 20 over through a school zone.

Sorry to disappoint but I do not speed within town limits, and especially around school zones. Both of our schools are at the end of a dead end street which I rarely visit. Good citizens only use a radar gun to check their mph swing speed

Except that the alleged shoplifter wasn't guilty of anything at the point where the person started shooting at him. Innocent UNLESS proven guilty, and that process doesn't take place in a parking lot.

The person we have referred to as 'the shoplifter or alleged shoplifter' is the primary one who knows if s/he is guilty. If the person planned to commit a criminal offense of theft (so no longer alleged), then s/he better be prepared for the dominos effect which follows. In you are guilty "in your own eyes", and if it goes worst than planned, sorry if I am not a bleeding heart.

I am not in favour of an every-day citizen assuming the role of judge and jury, nor do I want Joe Citizen shooting up the parking lot. We do not need a return to the wild wild west.