PRIDE FLAGS

[dmcdam]

that could mean our schools could look like the opening ceremonies at the Olympics… flags everywhere, representing anything and everything that make people different.

And there's the slippery slope argument. Give it a few minutes and someone will say, "what it they decide to fly a nazi flag"?

[Risky84]

Oh the haters are already vehemently opposed to any education surrounding sexuality being taught in schools. Like I said, haters gonna hate. IMO the health of our children trumps the feelings of triggered parents.

I don’t think people or at least most people don’t have an issue with sex Ed itself , I think some people have an issue with maybe the age or grade it’s introduced, issues with teachers telling kids that boys can girls and girls can be boys, or telling them if they don’t know what they are yet , that’s ok , you can be unbinary.

[4wedges]

I'd say yes it should. I'd say a flag could be appropriate anywhere there's an intersection between the issue and public health. The slippery slope argument is as silly in this case as it is in any other.

The slippery slope argument is extremely valid and appropriate. To deny this is silly.

[Ignatius Reilly]

Flying the flag and finding a solution to mixed change rooms are different issues.

I thought I'd been clear before: gay is not a lifestyle choice so quit saying it is.

Many flags are flown at public education institutions. UofT flies the Cdn, ON, Varsity, UofT, and that new orange flag for survivors of the Residential School program, among others. Is that so wrong? They are all indications of support and pride, just like flying the Cdn and ON flags. Be proud of your country, your province, your school, your team....... AND yourself.

[dmcdam]

The slippery slope argument is extremely valid and appropriate. To deny this is silly.

Only if people don't try and take it to ridiculous extremes, which they usually do. There won't suddenly be dozens of different flags on display or it would have happened already. Clearly someone is using criteria to make these decisions.

[Risky84]

Flying the flag and finding a solution to mixed change rooms are different issues.

I thought I'd been clear before: gay is not a lifestyle choice so quit saying it is.

Many flags are flown at public education institutions. UofT flies the Cdn, ON, Varsity, UofT, and that new orange flag for survivors of the Residential School program, among others. Is that so wrong? They are all indications of support and pride, just like flying the Cdn and ON flags. Be proud of your country, your province, your school, your team....... AND yourself.

You are correct, poor description on my part . Sexual orientation maybe more suitable

[northernpro]

It’s always easy to figure out the people who are anti gay
or who accepts gay folks as human beings..just living
their lives in a mean world...

[Risky84]

It’s always easy to figure out the people who are anti gay
or who accepts gay folks as human beings..just living
their lives in a mean world...

if your referring to folks on this site or this thread I should say - I certainly can’t figure it out? I can however get idea as to who takes issue with pride flags flying at publicly funded schools. And those two things a definitely not the same .

[xrox]

I don’t think people or at least most people don’t have an issue with sex Ed itself , I think some people have an issue with maybe the age or grade it’s introduced, issues with teachers telling kids that boys can girls and girls can be boys, or telling them if they don’t know what they are yet , that’s ok , you can be unbinary.

Exactly right. The politics on this subject, as usual, are dumbed down to black or white. You are with us in every way, or, you are the enemy. I would suspect that in reality, the vast majority of parents want sex education, especially the nitty gritty stuff, taught in middle-school or later. I can see the basic biology stuff being useful earlier though.

Progressive’s seem to love the black and white politics on this subject just as much as the far right. Not a fan of Desantis or the right, but within context, I found the “Book banning” and “Don’t say gay” headlines were an embelishment at best. I’ve read several of the books in question and some of them seriously belong in an adults-only section IMO. Not banned from print, or from public libraries. Just keep them away from young kids, like any other sexually explicit media. Yes, books are not regulated like video/film. I get it. But books targeted for kids should be IMO.

As for the flag, I think it was a great idea, and an impotant symbol, for exactly the reasons many have already posted. While still a very important symbol I support, I understand why some are getting annoyed with the non-sensical ideologies coming from activists and those under portions of the flag. They have managed to create an environment where they cannot be criticized in the slightest, for any reason, without it being considered a horrible afront to the entire cause.

What would be better, changing minds, or silencing opinions? What does the latter lead to?

[TerryB]

The pride flag is quite obviously a political flag now, it wasn't the original intention when it was created but it has become just that. No political flags should be flown in public institutions it's that simple, there are many gay men I've met in construction and gay conservatives who hate the pride community and it's politics. The stuff that I hate is when the pro pride and media treat all gays as some monolith and say he pride flag represents all gay people when it doesn't, it's like they've never talked to a gay man or woman who isn't a progressive liberal.

I actually believe people who treat gays as a monolith and say the pride flag represents the " entire gay community" are more ignorant than any sports star who won't wear a rainbow sweater during warmups.

[Risky84]

The pride flag is quite obviously a political flag now, it wasn't the original intention when it was created but it has become just that. No political flags should be flown in public institutions it's that simple, there are many gay men I've met in construction and gay conservatives who hate the pride community and it's politics. The stuff that I hate is when the pro pride and media treat all gays as some monolith and say he pride flag represents all gay people when it doesn't, it's like they've never talked to a gay man or woman who isn't a progressive liberal.

I actually believe people who treat gays as a monolith and say the pride flag represents the " entire gay community" are more ignorant than any sports star who won't wear a rainbow sweater during warmups.

I have a couple gay friends and they hate what the flag now represents and stands for, it is most definitely been turned into a political tool…

[Benz]

If we look beyond the Pride flag issue specifically, which flags may represent 'a bridge too far' with regard to them being displayed at schools and other public institutions?

Some examples may be obvious, but those are easily eliminated from consideration. Other examples may not be so easy or so obvious, and they would elicit as much or more debate as did the Pride flag.

[dmcdam]

If we look beyond the Pride flag issue specifically, which flags may represent 'a bridge too far' with regard to them being displayed at schools and other public institutions?

Some examples may be obvious, but those are easily eliminated from consideration. Other examples may not be so easy or so obvious, and they would elicit as much or more debate as did the Pride flag.

Can you give some examples?

[Risky84]

Can you give some examples?

Your question is not directed at me but some that come to the top on my mind
• Confederate flag
• Nazi flag
• California flag


I’m sure there are lots more tho, Benz could be going In a total different direction then the ones I’ve mentioned though - I could be way off his thought process

[WWFS]

Your question is not directed at me but some that come to the top on my mind
• Confederate flag
• Nazi flag
• California flag


I’m sure there are lots more tho, Benz could be going In a total different direction then the ones I’ve mentioned though - I could be way off his thought process

WRT your first 2 examples, surely you aren't trying to equate the rainbow flag, supportive of kids who attend the school, with either of those flags and what those flags stand for?

Insofar as a California flag is concerned, I don't see a current situation where it would be warranted. I would however remind you that over the last 15 months, a Ukraine flag has been flown at numerous public buildings within Canada.