Blue Jays 2016 post-season

[Weirfan]

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He's a love him or hate him guy. I love that he says what's on his mind. Some can't stand it. A lot of the time, his quotes are taken way out of context. Boot comment is a prime example.

Poor Jose, sure is getting roasted

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-indians-and-the-rest-of-the-internet-roast-jose-bautista-after-alcs-game-5/

[P25]

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Poor Jose, sure is getting roasted
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/th...r-alcs-game-5/

I thought the Indians thing was funny. I'm sure Jose can take it. I also think a lot of people haven't heard the whole quote.

[Pimento Cheese]

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I thought the Indians thing was funny. I'm sure Jose can take it. I also think a lot of people haven't heard the whole quote.

Or the question. I haven't heard any audio (is there any?) -- I've only read the quote -- but I've been told that the question actually used the words "shaking in your boots" when Jose was asked if they were nervous about facing a pitcher they had no information on. It's actually a pretty tame response from Jose if that was the case.

But he's a smart guy -- he knows the media will take the sound bite and run with it, and I'm guessing he was okay with that. A little gamesmanship. It didn't work, but I don't think he regrets making the comment. I think he likes a little smack talk back and forth and might even be getting a kick out of some of the mockery.

[Big Shooter]

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They still have Gavin Floyd & Chris Colabello, right?

[golfingoalie]

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PLAYER SALARIES
RK PLAYER Salary (US$)
1 Troy Tulowitzki 20,000,000 keep 100%
2 Melvin Upton Jr. 15,050,000 would get rid even if Padres are paying, defense and bat speed gone
3 Jose Bautista 14,000,000 gone
4 R.A. Dickey 12,000,000 gone
5 Francisco Liriano 11,666,667 keep for depth
6 Scott Feldman 10,000,000 gone
Edwin Encarnacion 10,000,000 keep 100% if they can
8 Joaquin Benoit 8,232,596 keep if healthy
9 Russell Martin 7,000,000 keep 100%
10 J.A. Happ 6,700,000 keep 100%
11 Dioner Navarro 5,000,000 keep 100% if they can sign him...Martin was dead by end of playoffs
12 Jason Grilli 4,375,000 keep 100%
13 Josh Donaldson 4,300,000 keep 10000%
14 Marco Estrada 3,900,000 keep 100%
15 Michael Saunders 2,875,000 gone
16 Darwin Barney 2,525,000 gone, like him but need a better bat from a backup
17 Brett Cecil 2,475,000 keep
18 Justin Smoak 1,000,000 gone but stuck with him
19 Aaron Loup 527,500 gone
20 Marcus Stroman 514,700 keep 100%
21 Kevin Pillar 512,000 would trade if good CF who can hit .260-.280
22 Aaron Sanchez 510,800 keep 100%
23 Dalton Pompey 508,500 keep gotta see if he can play at top level
24 Devon Travis 507,500 seems injury prone but give him another year
25 Roberto Osuna 507,500 Keep 100%

My replies are next to player but still in the quoted area.

The Jays need a few gritty tough out guys which I don't feel they have.

Would try to get Votto from Cinci.

All just my $0.02

[Jeffc]

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My replies are next to player but still in the quoted area.

The Jays need a few gritty tough out guys which I don't feel they have.

Would try to get Votto from Cinci.

All just my $0.02

pretty much agree. For Pillar I doubt you would do better anywhere near that price and it frees up cash for a lot of other guys. We need more help in RF/LF than centre anyways

[golfingoalie]

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pretty much agree. For Pillar I doubt you would do better anywhere near that price and it frees up cash for a lot of other guys. We need more help in RF/LF than centre anyways

Agreed but his hitting at end was basically an auto out. He is a guy who I would love to have better plate discipline and become one of those tough outs...but I don't see it happening.

[Jeffc]

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Agreed but his hitting at end was basically an auto out. He is a guy who I would love to have better plate discipline and become one of those tough outs...but I don't see it happening.

but he did hit .260-.280 the last 3 seasons

He's young and I'd expect him to get better at that.

[IAAFM]

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My replies are next to player but still in the quoted area.

The Jays need a few gritty tough out guys which I don't feel they have.

Would try to get Votto from Cinci.

All just my $0.02

Also mostly agree but here are Pillar's Stats. He already hits 260-280. I would like to see more walks from him

Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2013 24 6 110 102 11 21 4 0 3 13 0 1 4 29 .206 .250 .333 .583 59 34 0 2 2 0 0 7/D9
2014 25 53 122 116 19 31 9 0 2 7 1 2 4 28 .267 .295 .397 .692 95 46 3 1 0 1 0 78/9D
2015 26 159 628 586 76 163 31 2 12 56 25 4 28 85 .278 .314 .399 .713 93 234 9 5 4 5 1 *87/9
2016 27 146 584 548 59 146 35 2 7 53 14 6 24 90 .266 .303 .376 .679 81 206 12 6 3 3 0 *8

[P25]

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but he did hit .260-.280 the last 3 seasons

He's young and I'd expect him to get better at that.

The problem is he needs to hit to get on base because he almost never walks. If he had better plate discipline, then his .260ish avg would be fine. But his career OBP is .303. At close to 1500 PAs, I'd be surprised if he gets much better. You can also put up with that more if the guys around him are capable. His D definitely gives him more leeway.

[Arthur Dailey]

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Kevin Pillar career BA .267 OBP .303
Devon White career BA .263 OBP .319

Discuss

[golfingoalie]

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It is the 3 for 32 in playoffs that concerned me.

[P25]

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Kevin Pillar career BA .267 OBP .303
Devon White career BA .263 OBP .319

Discuss

As a Blue Jay, he was better.

OPS: .760 vs .688
OPS+: 102 vs 85

If Pillar can become Devo offensively, that would be awesome. He's not that far off. Devo stole a lot more too though.

[Weirfan]

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As a Blue Jay, he was better.

OPS: .760 vs .688
OPS+: 102 vs 85

If Pillar can become Devo offensively, that would be awesome. He's not that far off. Devo stole a lot more too though.

Was going to type same.

Devos numbers are over 17 years, and in both leagues . Pillar's less than 3 full seasons. I doubt KP plays 17 seasons and if so doubt he maintains his current numbers.

In his 5 years as a Jay , Devos numbers are much better than Pillars. Devo also averaged almost 15 HR a year in Toronto. KP half that.
Devo stole more and was as good if not better defensively , IMO

Both good CF, I'd take Devo every day over KP.

[Arthur Dailey]

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Was going to type same.

Devos numbers are over 17 years, and in both leagues . Pillar's less than 3 full seasons. I doubt KP plays 17 seasons and if so doubt he maintains his current numbers.

In his 5 years as a Jay , Devos numbers are much better than Pillars. Devo also averaged almost 15 HR a year in Toronto. KP half that.
Devo stole more and was as good if not better defensively , IMO

Both good CF, I'd take Devo every day over KP.

Good call by both

However when Toronto got Devo at the age of 28 he had already played 4 seasons as a regular in California (and 2 as a call-up) with a cumulative BA of .247 and an OBP of .295.

His last season at the age of 38 was actually his best for OBP.

So based on those numbers Pillar has an opportunity to be as good or better in those departments. And Devo was also a free swinger.

He did however have more power and better base stealing ability. And never seemed to have to dive for a ball in the outfield.