President Trump

[par345]

I'll let you guys get back to your routine Trump bashing now.

Whatabout the Hillary bashing?

Donald the pathetic....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-orlando-2020-presidential-campaign-launch-speech-donald-1-hillary-0

[par345]

President Trump ordered military strike on Iran, but reversed at last second: Sources


Goodbye Donald.....this ain't Rosie Odonnell ,Mr counter puncher.

[Bellyhungry]

^^^^

A war with Iran would interrupt a game of golf over the weekend + Boss Putin kyboshed the idea.

[Arthur Dailey]

Well I don't mind a politician changing their mind.
But when it is done at the very last minute, that demonstrates a lack of forethought and preparation.

[Pimento Cheese]

It was far from an excellent reply, it was a history lesson I didn't need. I meant people that are North American and Western European citizens. There is no place in the world more open, accepting, or tolerant as the western world - not in asian majority countries, black majority countries, Hispanic countries, and especially not in Arab majority countries. The west isn't perfect, but its significantly better by every metric than anywhere else in the world. We shouldn't just strive to be better than the rest of the world, we should strive to be as best as we can be. Does treating races of people differently based on history they had no influence or control over qualify as being better? I am arguing no. Every time that group identity has trumped individual identity, it has led to racial, ethnic, or religious violence, discrimination, and bigotry. Using group identity to combat group identity (neo-nazis, white supremacists, etc) is stupidity at best. Call out racists where you see them, and do your part in stopping discrimination in any form.

The idea that we can't 'take' things from people because of an immutable characteristics, but at the same time we should 'give' things to people based on that same characteristic is a fallacy.

Your post said this:

Mainly because most North American and Western Europe people had acknowledged for decades that there is no value in group identity.

When did people who aren't part of a white majority acknowledge that there is no value in group identity?

I won't dissect the rest of your "we're better than the rest of the world" post, because it has already been addressed, and I think it speaks for itself anyway, on multiple levels.

[ace in the hazard]

Your post said this:

When did people who aren't part of a white majority acknowledge that there is no value in group identity?

I won't dissect the rest of your "we're better than the rest of the world" post, because it has already been addressed, and I think it speaks for itself anyway, on multiple levels.

The other question is, "Would we be better than the rest of the world without active pushes for minority rights (and yes, even affirmative action-type programs)?". One can certainly debate when the pendulum has swung too far, but claiming that we are slightly better than some places that still show outward racism towards minorities is no reason to put the subject to rest.

[Pimento Cheese]

The other question is, "Would we be better than the rest of the world without active pushes for minority rights (and yes, even affirmative action-type programs)?". One can certainly debate when the pendulum has swung too far, but claiming that we are slightly better than some places that still show outward racism towards minorities is no reason to put the subject to rest.

This is an excellent and thoughtful comment.

[Bellyhungry]

The US military apparently was 'cocked & loaded' to stick it to Iran. Oh man.

[dhacker56]

If they shot your stuff down wouldn't "True Dot" consider retaliation?

[par345]

If they shot your stuff down wouldn't "True Dot" consider retaliation?

...unbelievable

[dhacker56]

In what way? Don't Canadians stick up for themselves?

[pudubny]

In what way? Don't Canadians stick up for themselves?

Please try playing hockey and find out.

[Pimento Cheese]

In what way? Don't Canadians stick up for themselves?

People don't shoot our stuff down. We're not loathed around the world.

[Ignatius Reilly]

In what way? Don't Canadians stick up for themselves?

Yes, and I think that's been proven over history.

We don't generally dither about it in public though, we're a little more professional than that.....

[Fredk]

If they shot your stuff down wouldn't "True Dot" consider retaliation?

Nope, because we don't fly our stuff in Iranian territory. Ya can't shoot down what's not there.