The chaos that is a gun fight

[Bern]

we are second guessing these ladies actions, which is laughable. I suppose in hindsight the more civil members of this forum would have calmly asked him to sign a withdraw paper or diffused the the situation with a smart arse remark like, "Excuse me Sir, is that shotgun loaded, or are you just glad to see me? yeah right.

Not at all. It's worthwhile having a discussion and analyzing what precipitated the situation and how it could have been handled better. The media accounts are touting them as heroes when in fact they are simply lucky to be alive. Had there been no guns behind the counter and the outside door open then no one would have been injured.

[Ignatius Reilly]

TBH, I have no love for gun toting criminals, but...

The reason I was curious about who shot first was that I don't like the idea of locking the robber in the vestibule, and then trying to shoot him to death when he comes back. That's not self-defence, that's attempted murder.

[Bern]

TBH, I have no love for gun toting criminals, but...

The reason I was curious about who shot first was that I don't like the idea of locking the robber in the vestibule, and then trying to shoot him to death when he comes back. That's not self-defence, that's attempted murder.

I would agree, but I don't think that's what happened here, conjecture on my part I know. My guess is locking the robber in was a mistake.

[bl8d]

TBH, I have no love for gun toting criminals, but...

The reason I was curious about who shot first was that I don't like the idea of locking the robber in the vestibule, and then trying to shoot him to death when he comes back. That's not self-defence, that's attempted murder.

Pardon me, but that's a ridiculous assumption for you to make.
He was not coming back in to congratulate them for trying to contain him in the vestibule till the police arrive.

[Bern]

Pardon me, but that's a ridiculous assumption for you to make.
He was not coming back in to congratulate them for trying to contain him in the vestibule till the police arrive.

Case in point, locking him in escalated the violence.
That said, by all accounts he never fired a shot.
It's not a moral or ethical judgement, just a practical one.

[ace in the hazard]

Huh? It's a thread about a gunfight.

Anyways, my recollection was that the mother fired the first shot at the robber.

The robber may have shot out the glass door first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-TZpGdszA

[Bellyhungry]

Never heard of the word 'vestibule' until reading this thread.

As far as I know, cops (In Canada anyway) generally advise you to just let them have the money if you are being robbed rather than taking matter into your own hand. They are after your money, not your life. Insurance would cover the money loss.

[Pimento Cheese]

Never heard of the word 'vestibule' until reading this thread.

"I'm trapped in an ATM vestibule with Jill Goodacre."

I have a pop culture quote for everything.

[Bern]

Never heard of the word 'vestibule' until reading this thread.

As far as I know, cops (In Canada anyway) generally advise you to just let them have the money if you are being robbed rather than taking matter into your own hand. They are after your money, not your life. Insurance would cover the money loss.

Nope, it's the cost of doing business.
I don't have any recent experience, but the small amount stolen would easily be eaten by deductibles.

I worked in cash intensive places when I was young and employees were always advised to turn over the money
and cooperate. The best defense against major loss was to have good cash management practices, skimming cash drawers and putting that money into time-locked safes. After that have regular deposits to banks at different times.

[Bern]

"I'm trapped in an ATM vestibule with Jill Goodacre."

I have a pop culture quote for everything.

I'm in awe. LOL

Portico has never been in my vernacular.

[DCBABY]

TGN is good for ones vocabulary!

I think there's a whole lot more than meets the eye.

I cannot judge one's actions without strolling in their shoes, however stupid or careless, unless it is something like a stunt, or undertaking a criminal activity.

Whether defending themselves, their property or sending a message not to rob them, they should thankful they were able to walk away from the incident, and hopefully this is the extent to them having to defend themselves with such potency.

[Ignatius Reilly]

"I'm trapped in an ATM vestibule with Jill Goodacre."

I have a pop culture quote for everything.

Did you mean

hI'mmmm hntuk hnhn hah hnhesnhbuhln hnith hnill nhhoodhacre?

[Chambokl]

Never heard of the word 'vestibule' until reading this thread.

HaHa BH, you have to practice your french. Pretty sure you must have a vestibule in your house/condo.