America is not for Black People

[Bellyhungry]

There is a world of difference between being singled out as a young male and singled out as a Black person. Blindness to that difference prevents one from seeing the reality of discrimination, while making it all too easy to justify or excuse its continued existence.

Imagine profilings are implemented due to the propensity of a certain group commiting certain crimes.

1) Most white collar crimes are committed by middle aged white males
2) Most US domestic terrorism are committed by middle aged white males
3) Most school shootings are committed by young white males
4) Amost all mass shootings are committed by gun owners

Now imagine these groups are being singled out and being targeted in the name of profiling...

[mpare]

The addition of the word "white" to your characterization of yourself as a young male and how the police dealt with you in your youth, does not make you a member of a racially discriminated class. Zeroing in on Blacks, only because of their race, does perpetuate an unacceptable racial distinction. I really can't believe that you don't see that. Profiling based on race alone is laughably ineffective. Worse it's just systemic racism masquerading as effective policing.

there is quite literally no difference. race, age, sex are all protected classes in the CHOR as well as U.S. anti-discriminatory law... I mean... unless one protected class is more protected than another protected class...

Profiling is good (read; effective) policing, regardless of how many feelings it hurts.

[mpare]

I can already hear the howls of protest from my study.

Imagine profilings are implemented due to the propensity of a certain group commiting certain crimes.

1) Most white collar crimes are committed by middle aged white males
2) Most US domestic terrorism are committed by middle aged white males
3) Most school shootings are committed by young white males
4) Amost all mass shootings are committed by gun owners

Now imagine these groups are being singled out and being targeted in the name of profiling...

[mjmtengu]

I prefer the term willful ignorance.

It is also known as "Unconscious Bias". There is a move towards training in the Corporate environment to make people aware that it does exist and we are guilty of this in things as simple as every day language.

[mjmtengu]

there is quite literally no difference. race, age, sex are all protected classes in the CHOR as well as U.S. anti-discriminatory law... I mean... unless one protected class is more protected than another protected class...

Profiling is good (read; effective) policing, regardless of how many feelings it hurts.

Said from his position of White Privilege. #Sad #Ignorant.

[mjmtengu]

Imagine profilings are implemented due to the propensity of a certain group commiting certain crimes.

1) Most white collar crimes are committed by middle aged white males
2) Most US domestic terrorism are committed by middle aged white males
3) Most school shootings are committed by young white males
4) Amost all mass shootings are committed by gun owners

Now imagine these groups are being singled out and being targeted in the name of profiling...

Excuse my ignorance - but aren't all of these examples statistical facts?

[Benz]

That is a significant claim, any data evidence to substantiate the claim? Any studies you can reference? Looking at the data and studies I have seen, most feel profiling leads to negative and lobsided results in terms of effective policing. So which actual studies are you referencing as evidence?

Profiling tends to be 'pre-emptive' and therefore intrusive. It is a fallacy to believe that such tactics are 'good policing'. Instead, it's nothing more than 'lazy policing' that focuses on probabilities rather than hard facts regarding illegal activity, all with predictable results.

[Marty Canuck]

there is quite literally no difference. race, age, sex are all protected classes in the CHOR as well as U.S. anti-discriminatory law... I mean... unless one protected class is more protected than another protected class...

Profiling is good (read; effective) policing, regardless of how many feelings it hurts.

Bringing back “carding” then are you?

[WWFS]

Bringing back “carding” then are you?

Have you noticed that the people who think 'profiling' is a good thing are the first people who yell "MUH RIGHTS! MUH FREEDOMS!" when the government implements restrictions during a pandemic?

[AdiosAmigo]

Let it be known. I am not for random/unsubstantiated carding.

[SeanAvery2point0]

Excuse my ignorance - but aren't all of these examples statistical facts?

now do murder and non-negligent manslaughter, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property (buying, receiving, possessing), vandalism, weapons (carrying, possessing), prostitution and commercialized vice, drug abuse violations, gambling, offenses against the family and children, driving under the influence, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, and vagrancy.

profiling is an effective pro-active policing technique.

[mjmtengu]

Have you noticed that the people who think 'profiling' is a good thing are the first people who yell "MUH RIGHTS! MUH FREEDOMS!" when the government implements restrictions during a pandemic?

Don't forget......"This government is communist"...."What happened to Canada".....blah, blah, blah.

[pudubny]

now do murder and non-negligent manslaughter, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, simple assault, forgery and counterfeiting, fraud, embezzlement, stolen property (buying, receiving, possessing), vandalism, weapons (carrying, possessing), prostitution and commercialized vice, drug abuse violations, gambling, offenses against the family and children, driving under the influence, liquor laws, drunkenness, disorderly conduct, and vagrancy.

profiling is an effective pro-active policing technique.

It is one thing to say that an armed robbery in a minority neighbourhood was likely committed by another minority. That's probability, although to exclusively aim your investigation that way without further cause would be wrong. But...profiling leads to further actions which are not warranted. Various studies show that black "suspects" are more often arrested and charged considering similar circumstance. Further a few studies show that minority vehicle owners are more often subject to searches even when statistically those searches result in fewer infractions, fewer than even white drivers in some studies. The use of probabilities should be narrow an suggestive, not broad and determinative. So while some profiling can be effectively used to suggest probabilities, the way it's currently broadly used isn't effective, it's often discriminatory. This doesn't help relationships between police and those they are meant to serve.

[wlorcb]

People who think carding is an effective policing tool are woefully misguided. Even the Toronto Police force admitted that carding was largely ineffective.
Carding also relies on the people being stopped not knowing their rights to not talk to the police at all if no infraction has occurred. Most people comply to not escalate tensions further.

This is carding:

You are just finishing up your round of golf with 3 buddies on April 5. A police officer stops you all as you are coming off the 18th green and asks for all your names, the names of any of your other golf buddies, and the courses you usually play.

Fast forward to last week. The police stop some golfers coming off the Bridges and get their names. You do not know any of them. But you have something in common. You both know someone who knows someone. And you have both played at Otter Creek.
The police now knock on your door because you have an association with someone under investigation for golfing illegally. Can you prove you were not golfing illegally at the Bridges?

The other thing is if carding actually works, then the people who think it is a good idea should have no problem with the police randomly(well not randomly actually) stopping everyone at any time for any reason. Everyone. If you stop everyone, you are bound to catch all the crooks at some point or another. While we are at it, let's make sure that everyone is standing for the anthem. And singing the Great Leaders praise. In a LOUD enough voice.

[mpare]

There is another issue here that shouldn't be overlooked. Even if one were to assume a racial correlation between a particular type of crime and the person who committed it sufficient to warrant race-based targetted investigations (a proposition that I do not accept), that still does not justify using race as a determinative factor in conducting randomn border inspections, which is exactly what the 3 border guards are complaining about. This is no different than the racially biased "randomn" stops for which various police forces have been justly criticized in the USA.